The American sub-2:10 (non Rupp) drought is over!! Scott Fauble runs 2:09:10, Jared Ward 2:09:25 in Boston!

Old Man Runner wrote:

hobbyjoggertrials wrote:

Congrats. Now they can go to the Hobby Jogger Trials for a chance to get embarrassed again on the world stage. Can we get this board back to talking about real runners?

Please feel free to post your PRs.

You brought it up, yet I'm not seeing your PRs anywhere either. Hmm...me thinks I smell a hypocrite.

Burritos are the key to running 2:09? Guess what I'm eating for lunch?

hobbyjoggertrials wrote:

Old Man Runner wrote:

Please feel free to post your PRs.

You brought it up, yet I'm not seeing your PRs anywhere either. Hmm...me thinks I smell a hypocrite.

You're just a pansy, who probably can't even run one mile at 2:09 pace.

hobbyjoggertrials wrote:

Old Man Runner wrote:

Please feel free to post your PRs.

You brought it up, yet I'm not seeing your PRs anywhere either. Hmm...me thinks I smell a hypocrite.

I'm not the one who is talking sh*t about 2 people who just ran sub 2:10 in a marathon. You're an idiot.

Old Man Runner wrote:

hobbyjoggertrials wrote:

You brought it up, yet I'm not seeing your PRs anywhere either. Hmm...me thinks I smell a hypocrite.

I'm not the one who is talking sh*t about 2 people who just ran sub 2:10 in a marathon. You're an idiot.

Ah so anytime someone criticizes someone on here you ask for their PR's? (x) doubt

hobbyjoggertrials wrote:

Old Man Runner wrote:

I'm not the one who is talking sh*t about 2 people who just ran sub 2:10 in a marathon. You're an idiot.

Ah so anytime someone criticizes someone on here you ask for their PR's? (x) doubt

This is ridiculous. People criticize our best athletes as if we've voted them in office and they're letting us down. They have earned their keep as our best, and are trying to compete with the world's best. They may or may not have faster PR's than athletes of other countries, but they've still become faster than the rest of their countrymen, and are not deserving of your criticism, at least not because you don't think their best is good enough. I get that we analyze our athletes of all sports, and are critical of their performances regularly. But I don't regularly see analysts criticizing athletes who have just had a best-in-their lifetime performance because it wasn't as good as someone else's.

You are rightfully being called out because you are critical of the wrong people. Don't hate on Ward and Fauble for running 2:09, hate on yourself for not even being close enough to contribute to the USA's quest to compete on the international level.

What's even more ridiculous is these guys just improved upon their marks, making them more competitive on the international level, but the criticism keeps coming regardless. Unbelievable.

Damn good job to Scott Fauble and Jared Ward

There is criticizing professional athletes which any fan of the sport should be able to do (race selection, tactics, training, behaviour etc). That is part of being a pro and you don’t need to have pro-times to do it.

Then there is uniformly disparaging any American performance if it’s not at world record standard (and even if it was, I suspect the poster would accuse them of cheating). With that kind of negative attitude I think it’s put up or shut up.

(4:02 mile, never ran a marathon for what it’s worth...)

Old Man Runner wrote:

hobbyjoggertrials wrote:

Congrats. Now they can go to the Hobby Jogger Trials for a chance to get embarrassed again on the world stage. Can we get this board back to talking about real runners?

Please feel free to post your PRs.

3:39:24 :)

Dnsjfjsjsnshd wrote:

There is criticizing professional athletes which any fan of the sport should be able to do (race selection, tactics, training, behaviour etc). That is part of being a pro and you don’t need to have pro-times to do it.

Then there is uniformly disparaging any American performance if it’s not at world record standard (and even if it was, I suspect the poster would accuse them of cheating). With that kind of negative attitude I think it’s put up or shut up.

(4:02 mile, never ran a marathon for what it’s worth...)

Well said.

FWIW - No marathon, 13:58 5k

hobbyjoggertrials, I still haven't seen your PR's?

honest wrote:

3:39:24 :)

Beats me. I never broke 3:40. Proud of my 3:41:23. Yes, I am a hobby jogger...who didn't pick up running until I was in my early 30s.

And I passed you on Heart Break during the Boston 100th! Word. {and, per my handle, I know this isn't Ron Hill. And to be totally transparent, the real Ron Hill still caught me on Boylestown before the finish. He was a good sport and confirmed that I was the only one ever to pass him on Heart Break ;-)]

Ron Hill wrote:

calpa wrote:

2:09:10 FAUBLE

2:09:25 WORD

I’m faster than both and I once won a race in socks.

Well said!

Finally heading in the right direction, other US marathoners must know that they can run 2:09 too! We should have ten 2:09 guys every year and then a few 2:08 guys and the progression will continue. Great thing is that Faubs and Ward were good but not great college runners but they stuck with it, trained and believed. Others can too! So happy that 2:11 will no longer be considered a good time in the US now.

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

That was awesome. We will actually be sending 3 sub-2:10 marathoners to Tokyo now. And Hasay is BACK. Hope she can do an AR attempt this fall (or will most Americans skip the fall marathons due to the trials?)

calpa wrote:

2:09:10 FAUBLE

2:09:25 WORD

I mean, you might get all excited about this, but you know Dewi Griffiths and Callum Hawkins are going to run 2:07-2:08 at London.

Serious questionator wrote:

Double asterix:

Cheaterflys

Downhill point to point course

Saucony + Hoka athletes = no VF 4%'s.

Really happy for these guys. No doubt they have been in shape for sub-2:10 before. If Americans ran Berlin/London every year we'd see some faster PRs but these guys line up next for the Trials, maybe the OGs, and then back to NYC/Boston. That doesn't mean they're not good or can't compete with guys with faster PRs.

ayyyyy wrote:

Serious questionator wrote:

Double asterix:

Cheaterflys

Downhill point to point course

Saucony + Hoka athletes = no VF 4%'s.

What exactly do you think the Hoka Carbon's are?

Far Out West wrote:

Finally heading in the right direction, other US marathoners must know that they can run 2:09 too! We should have ten 2:09 guys every year and then a few 2:08 guys and the progression will continue. Great thing is that Faubs and Ward were good but not great college runners but they stuck with it, trained and believed. Others can too! So happy that 2:11 will no longer be considered a good time in the US now.

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

That was awesome. We will actually be sending 3 sub-2:10 marathoners to Tokyo now. And Hasay is BACK. Hope she can do an AR attempt this fall (or will most Americans skip the fall marathons due to the trials?)

There were 3 Americans behind them in the top 15 who I also think could break 2:10..

Alan

hobbyjoggertrials wrote:

Old Man Runner wrote:

Please feel free to post your PRs.

You brought it up, yet I'm not seeing your PRs anywhere either. Hmm...me thinks I smell a hypocrite.

He wasn't the one calling 2:09 runners 'HobbyJoggers'.

Mea culpepper wrote:

1st clean runners across the line.

+1