A third category for hermaphrodites. She is not and should not be considered as a Paralympian.
Or take testosterone off the PED list for women and let them have at it. Yeah, no.
A third category for hermaphrodites. She is not and should not be considered as a Paralympian.
Or take testosterone off the PED list for women and let them have at it. Yeah, no.
Ichabods Crane wrote:
It's only softer because of drug testing.
Just because Semenya was born closer to being a man does not make it ok to compete as a woman. This kind of crap makes women's track a farce.
It is a joke.
I love how some think that all records must fall in some sort of natural, linear progression.
I also like how these women are "lazy" because they can't go faster than times set with revolutionary PEDs.
8FE wrote:
Just to continue on the victim-mentality bandwagon that these white girls perpetuate -
Look at what a loser Lynsey Sharp is.. maybe Andy Vernon was right.
She flats out says "there's two different races" insinuating that Semenya and the other girl are cheating because the race was won in 1:56.92.
She then says in the same damn article, I guess all I can hope for is the British Record of 1:56.2!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/05/lynsey-sharp-rio-olympics-caster-semenya-francine-niyonsabaWhat a dunce!
Yeah, there's running 1:56 and there's running 1:56 Semenya style.
If Lynsey Sharp did manage to run 1:56 in a race against Semenya, Semenya would just go a bit quicker and run 1:54.
She doesn't insinuate cheating, but she's only saying what every other person with common sense/not blinded by ethnicity is thinking: Semenya and Niyonsabo (plus a couple others) should not be in the women's race.
Phoebe Wright hasn't broken 2:00 for 4 years. A time that every year 13/14 year old boys run.
These girls complaining shouldn't even be classed as elite. 2:01 is akin to 1:47/1:48.
Monnnnayyyy wrote:
Sorry women, but this is payback for men's running being 10x more competitive and DEEP compared to women's running. Gone are the days when any random height/weight proportionate woman can train moderately and clean up at any distance. I honestly remember my high-school praising this one girls 2:19 meanwhile a bunch of is guys were dropping 1:55s and losing.
Fine, then drop all JV teams. Why should there be a "B" race at a XC meet for some kid to win when he's clearly slower than the varsity squad?
All freshman and JV teams out.... Football, baseball, soccer, etc. Think how much money school districts would save. If you can't play with the big dogs, stay home.
While were at it, only one Division in College. In fact, why have college sports at all? Why should we ooh and aah over Chad Noelle winning th NCAA 1500 in 3:54. That's slower than the women's world record. Embarrassing! No?
You completely misinterpreted this post.
XX no Y wrote:
Monnnnayyyy wrote:Sorry women, but this is payback for men's running being 10x more competitive and DEEP compared to women's running. Gone are the days when any random height/weight proportionate woman can train moderately and clean up at any distance. I honestly remember my high-school praising this one girls 2:19 meanwhile a bunch of is guys were dropping 1:55s and losing.
Fine, then drop all JV teams. Why should there be a "B" race at a XC meet for some kid to win when he's clearly slower than the varsity squad?
All freshman and JV teams out.... Football, baseball, soccer, etc. Think how much money school districts would save. If you can't play with the big dogs, stay home.
While were at it, only one Division in College. In fact, why have college sports at all? Why should we ooh and aah over Chad Noelle winning th NCAA 1500 in 3:54. That's slower than the women's world record. Embarrassing! No?
first of all, you should know that all of those eastern europeans and any chinese on the list ahead of Semenya were doping like crazy. Second, Semenya is competing in female-only competitions. They are female only because it is impossible for the best women to compete with people that have ten times or more the testosterone. That is what Semenya is by nature. Semenya should be competing against the men instead. The same goes for Niyonsaba, Wambui, and any other intersex and "voluntary" females that pop up in this Olympic year. There is a very good reason that they used to have sex testing and until very recently limited testosterone levels for women to a level above normal women but not at these crazy levels.
Quirot, Mutola, and Jelimo were either doping or intersex.
jjjjjj wrote:
first of all, you should know that all of those eastern europeans and any chinese on the list ahead of Semenya were doping like crazy. Second, Semenya is competing in female-only competitions. They are female only because it is impossible for the best women to compete with people that have ten times or more the testosterone. That is what Semenya is by nature. Semenya should be competing against the men instead. The same goes for Niyonsaba, Wambui, and any other intersex and "voluntary" females that pop up in this Olympic year. There is a very good reason that they used to have sex testing and until very recently limited testosterone levels for women to a level above normal women but not at these crazy levels.
Please post the current verified T levels of the athletes you mention above, with links. And whilst you are at it, the leading US 'women' too.
Why's the anger directed at Caster, Francine and Margaret? They're not to blame.
Monnnnayyyy wrote:
Sorry women, but this is payback for men's running being 10x more competitive and DEEP compared to women's running. Gone are the days when any random height/weight proportionate woman can train moderately and clean up at any distance. I honestly remember my high-school praising this one girls 2:19 meanwhile a bunch of is guys were dropping 1:55s and losing.
What crime have female athletes committed to warrant the need for "payback"? Perhaps men's running is deeper than women's, but time and development is the answer. Allowing intersex athletes to compete against biological females won't make women's running deeper, it will simply divide the field into two distinct groups. It's not about maintaining an easy "clean-up" for women, which has not even been the case for many years, it's about having a fair race.
And as for the poster who mentioned that women "should" be running sub-1:55 consistently, what is the basis for that?
Metric Miler wrote:
Phoebe Wright hasn't broken 2:00 for 4 years. A time that every year 13/14 year old boys run.
These girls complaining shouldn't even be classed as elite. 2:01 is akin to 1:47/1:48.
What is the basis for comparing an adult female to a 13/14 year old boy? Apples and oranges.
Men's 400m WR is 43.18
Men's 800m WR is 1:40.91
Women's 400m WR is 47.60
Women's 800m WR is 1:53.28
I'll let your brain do the rest. Thank you.
Divide the event in 2 groups? Which group does Phoebe belong?
She seems very male to me and ridiculous for her to insinuate that others are more male.
unfounded comparison wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:Phoebe Wright hasn't broken 2:00 for 4 years. A time that every year 13/14 year old boys run.
These girls complaining shouldn't even be classed as elite. 2:01 is akin to 1:47/1:48.
What is the basis for comparing an adult female to a 13/14 year old boy? Apples and oranges.
Prepubescent boys. You won't find many running 3:50 for the 1500m, a 47.7 relay leg or 10.7 for the 100m. But boys running 2:00/2:01 are dime a dozen.
El Keniano wrote:
Why's the anger directed at Caster, Francine and Margaret? They're not to blame.
Reasonable people are not angry *at* them. It is not personal.
Rather the rules gap that permits XY humans to compete against XX humans thus making the Women's 800 a joke frustrates many.
I've posted this plenty of times before, human sexuality is not binary. There are plenty of novel variations that rarely occur. It is inevitable that this issue would arise. But, the way the rules have been interpreted and enforced make Women's (XX) racing irrelevant.
Monnnnayyyy wrote:
You completely misinterpreted this post.
XX no Y wrote:Fine, then drop all JV teams. Why should there be a "B" race at a XC meet for some kid to win when he's clearly slower than the varsity squad?
All freshman and JV teams out.... Football, baseball, soccer, etc. Think how much money school districts would save. If you can't play with the big dogs, stay home.
While were at it, only one Division in College. In fact, why have college sports at all? Why should we ooh and aah over Chad Noelle winning th NCAA 1500 in 3:54. That's slower than the women's world record. Embarrassing! No?
The "payback" comment is hilarious. He bitches about Wright's comments being whiny when he is the whiner. I agree with you, if that is the standard, then drop all but Division I athletics - only the most elite Division I athletes should be allowed to compete because everyone else is irrelevant and schools shouldn't be wasting money/time on them. I always laugh when a Division III athletes brags about their "All-American" status. Most of their "winning" times wouldn't even qualify to compete in a Division I championship - much less win it.
Monnnnayyyy wrote: I honestly remember my high-school praising this one girls 2:19 meanwhile a bunch of is guys were dropping 1:55s and losing.
Hmm. Yes, a high school anecdote is the equivalent of international elite racing.
Your self selection bias is great. Congratulations.
El Keniano wrote:
Why's the anger directed at Caster, Francine and Margaret? They're not to blame.
Yes, they are to blame. Why are the "sex verification" tests for Caster even secret? It's obvious to everyone that there is something very different about Caster. Caster wants to race against and beat women. She doesn't have to enter female specific sporting activities - that's the choice Caster makes. Why would the proof of if Caster is a woman or not be a secret?
If you want to compete in the paralympics you have to prove your disability and there is a whole classification for the various disabilities. If we have no issue with having classifications for disabilities, why is it so hard to just create classifications for sex beyond male and female. Even just a third "mixed" category.
Put it this way, if you seen how Caster makes love to her wife then you'll understand why she's unbeatable. The lady knows how to bring it home in a way that would leave most men stunned!