Pierre Ambroise Bosse pointing fingers against Amel Tuka on French TV

Point taken, but there was no need for those old links because lumping all those people together tends to give the impression that they are all dopers. If you want an unbiased view on Baala - you may do your own research on him and I guarantee you will nothing on either Baala or Tahri.

Ghost in Khon Khaen, Thailand

Again, my biggest evidence against Baala is that you defend him...

You should not let personal bias against remote posters influence your objectivity.

Ghost in Khon Khaen, Thailand

Ghost - this is really interesting information. Thanks for sharing.

I am not getting into the doping debate on any particular athlete, but the French, Portuguese, Spanish and Turkish nationals from North Africa are all suspicious to me for very obvious reasons. One common denominator among all of these athletes is that they completely disappear for 8 months of the year and train in North African in groups with other known and convicted dopers. North African born European athletes like Reyes Estevez, Sergio Sanchez and Marta Dominguez. (To name a few) The list of North African drug cheats is long; look up Operación Galgo (Operation Greyhound). These athletes train in such remote locations that they always know a day in advance when the testers will arrive. These African countries don't test and the European countries aren't properly testing them because they are not in Europe for most of the year. A big loop hole is that over 90% of the WADA testers are Anglo/European and these athletes have no problem knowing when an Anglo/European person is on the way to a training site. These athlete can't put together a complete season, they need many months of OOC periods to dope. The ones who do attempt to put together a complete season such as XC, roads, indoor and open up outdoor in the spring usually in up getting busted because it is hard to dope while competing and being tested. Btw, that same loophole exist in the sub-Saharan Africa as well and even the Caribbean, through a combination of methods, athletes know when the testers are coming. WADA and the IAAF is currently dealing with a situation were an abnormal number of African and Caribbean athletes whose blood values are at the max threshold to trigger a positive. This list of athletes are outside of the list of 28.

Ghost wrote:

You should not let personal bias against remote posters influence your objectivity.

Ghost in Khon Khaen, Thailand

I am not biased against you. It is simply a fact that you defend dopers. Repeatedly and strenuously. This is simply about your track record. Most of your posts here are defending drug cheats.

So, when you post in support of somebody, it does not necessarily mean that they dope. It does mean, very definitively, that nobody should take your word that Baala did not dope as anything other than a joke. You don't know, and if you did know that he doped you would defend him anyway, just as you have defended all these other drug cheats.

That's objectivity.

TrackCoach: "These athlete can't put together a complete season, they need many months of OOC periods to dope."

Interesting post, especially the above quote. I am immediately thinking of an athlete who normally is prolific indoors, but only had one race indoors this year, but is now creating otherworldly results....

Yeah right..."Had there ever been anything suspicious he would not have landed a position with the Federation."

I guess like Teddy Tamgho who gets a ban for 3 no-shows, and yet comment on french TV and very praised by the french federation like nothing happened. Same thing for Bob Tahri...

arrette tes conneries...

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Again, my biggest evidence against Baala is that you defend him...

Well then you're an idiot. Not sure why you're going on about a retired athlete who never failed a drug test. Get a grip.

Tuka is the most suspicious athlete at these games.

Runners who miss most of the diamond league circuit then appear at major events are highly suspicious. Its a Russian tactic tried and tested

He needs to start pointing finger at

rudisha too. Free pass as per norm

even worse coached by a priest.

pole is the clean champ.

Both him and tuka both getting speed from

Same methods .igf-1 dopers .

and suspect bosse being same.

many french training camps on it.

is tukadoping endurance side maybe or not

dont think any new ped here just

doing same as rest and has talent.

But all know rudisha endurance not same

since GW501516 is off cards in 2013.

Chronic doper but what do ya expect

from a kenyan.

wont show up unless confident that win

and know where that confidence comes fr

He needs to start pointing finger at

rudisha too. Free pass as per norm

even worse coached by a priest.

pole is the clean champ.

Both him and tuka both getting speed from

Same methods .igf-1 dopers .

and suspect bosse being same.

many french training camps on it.

is tukadoping endurance side maybe or not

dont think any new ped here just

doing same as rest and has talent.

But all know rudisha endurance not same

since GW501516 is off cards in 2013.

Chronic doper but what do ya expect

from a kenyan.

wont show up unless confident that win

and know where that confidence comes fr

Ghost wrote:

Baala was never on the radar for doping - ever so what you write is untrue and libelous.

Baala now works as a coach with the French Federation (Federation Francaise Athletisme). Had there ever been anything suspicious he would not have landed a position with the Federation.

Mehdi is a God Fearing Muslim, family man and good person. He shares many traits with Zinedine Zidane - modesty, reticence, and a quiet demeanor. He always preferred training alone to be near his family.

Baala does not deserve to be doubted here. He is 100 percent clean. Everyone in France knows this.

Ghost in Khon Khaen, Thailand

Is that the Zidane who drop kicked a player in the chest and got sent off for violent conduct when he was losing in his last world cup.

Appoligise for double post....

mentioned tuka as most obvious doper at champs .joking right .

he came third ,have you been watching kenyans ,dibababba ,south africans,

400m , 200/100m.

Well, I had doubts about Benoit Zwiechlerski - the former Euro record holder in the marathon (2:06+) in the Paris marathon, when he finished the race with an impressive cartwheel - worthy of a gymnast!

Benoit had modest track pbs of around 13.40/28.40.

As I said, he was a phenomenal junior runner, training on country roads on the French - Belgian border. He was small and dynamic - and built almost like a gymnast with good muscle tone.

When he joined the Marseille club - SCO St Marguerite - I went to see where he lived ( he had been provided with a nice flat in one of the central "arrondissements"

I spoke to the restaurateurs and shop keepers around there.

Surprisingly- Benoit Z. did many of his runs on those central Marseille streets! Hardly the best place to train. His local epicerie guy told me that Benoit would often race the buses, on the uphill gradients.

Of course Benoit did once receive a short ban for an unauthorized product and his career was cut short by injuries.

The French loved him. There was none of the vilification (anglo saxon style) of Benoit after his ban from competition.

They are stupid taking it out slow and letting Rudisha control it. Nick Symminds could've won, thanks Nike

Such an interesting post, Ghost. I'm curious about French racial dynamics and wonder if they manifest the same as we've seen recently in the news with the US. Do they have the same suspicion, mistrust and even cases of police profiling and brutality? I ask because I remember the strife-torn French World Cup team in South Africa was said, by some, to have had a black-white-arab divide.

As for Baala, I still don't know how you can defend his behaviour in that Monaco fight. Watch the video again and tell me who threw the first blow.

Did either ever talk about what actually triggered it?

Baala was wrong to throw the punch, but you should have to understand that tbose two guys had a history. Baala could do no wrong as far as the FFA were concerned, but Mekhissi felt that he had been mistreated at times by the Federation. He felt Baala was getting all the kudos and star treatment. It did not help that Baala's coach - Dirringer - was part of the FFA setup, but Mekhissi's initial coach was justa good fellow Maghribian club runner.

Then there was the issue of French training camps and stipends from the FFA.

Mekhissi felt he always had to struggle to get his dues from the FFA, but Baala was the 'Golden Poster Boy' of French Athletics.

One can understand Mekhissi's feelings, without approving some of the things including a near assault on a mascot person after a Euro Cup win. But I understand both athletes because I have seen their backgrounds. It is not easy being a Maghribian in France, especially these days with the increased feeling of hostility toward Islam.

Ghost in Khon Khaen, Thailand

Nike cost nick a medal at very least.

Assuming was in form and got into final

a champianship runner and less oppsition.

would of taken it to rudisha now he cant pull away at end as not doping same .

Back to finger pointing ...... at bosse.