Unbiased Observer wrote:
LEO MANZANO??? Far more erratic and close to 0% chance of being a doper. I don't think I've even ever seen any accusations towards him on the LRC boards.
Huh? Why does he have close to 0% chance of being a doper? What does that even mean?
LetsRunners have never accused him? Not even worth addressing that.
I'm sure he could have run faster. He gave up when he wasn't going to win. Watch how he runs the last bit. This guy has no heart. He should have toughed it out to the end. He's not a real racer. What a poor sport and a poor loser.
If you want to see how dopers do it look at the ones we know about: El G churning out 3:26/27 like butter, Gatlin smacking down 9.74s no matter the wind or weather, Michael Johnson running 43s like it was boring.
Undoped athletes are all over the place. No saying Centro is 100% for sure clean, but he runs like one. Same with Manzano, Webb, Kiprop, et al.
Why does he bother with races where he is DFL or near it? Follow the money. He beat Souleiman pretty readily last weekend. He knows he just has to be fit in three weeks to have a good shot at silver anyway; probably got some workouts in and picked up a nice paycheck in the middle of it.
Beezelbub wrote:
Undoped athletes are all over the place. No saying Centro is 100% for sure clean, but he runs like one. Same with Manzano, Webb, Kiprop, et al.
How do you RUN like a doper?
Is there something in their strides thats just super suspicious?
Patience, you doper conspiracy members. The Centro sauce is almost ready for Beijing.
Beezelbub wrote:
If you want to see how dopers do it look at the ones we know about: El G churning out 3:26/27 like butter, Gatlin smacking down 9.74s no matter the wind or weather, Michael Johnson running 43s like it was boring.
Undoped athletes are all over the place. No saying Centro is 100% for sure clean, but he runs like one. Same with Manzano, Webb, Kiprop, et al.
Why does he bother with races where he is DFL or near it? Follow the money. He beat Souleiman pretty readily last weekend. He knows he just has to be fit in three weeks to have a good shot at silver anyway; probably got some workouts in and picked up a nice paycheck in the middle of it.
If that´s the case, how come that Ramszi was extremely erratic?
Septre wrote:
Going out in 54 is probably what killed him. Should have stuck in the back with Andrews.
I disagree that he should have gone out slower.
Sometimes you need to go out faster than what is ideal to learn your limits and extend your abilities.
You can't get better without pushing it now and then.
So, in a future race where he goes out in 55, he will be more aware how it feels and should be more confident because he tried 54 before.
He probably just had a lot on his mind, as he's gearing up to announce the start of his campaign for President of the United States.
rupp-certified A-sample wrote:
Could this guy's ups and downs be any more SUSPICIOUS?
This was a good race for him to perform in, the ONLY kind of race he actually can place in, a slow one. (3:33 winner.) Where was he? Fanboys, what is the excuse this time?
Nice season's best for Robby Andrews and a Czech national record for Jakub Holusa in second place with a 3:34.2.
I'm not a huge Centro fan, but your logic is lacking. Would you say the same thing about Manzano when he runs 3:31 then 3:41 in years' past? Has he been OBVIOUSLY doping because of his inconsistencies?
Star wrote:
I disagree that he should have gone out slower.
Sometimes you need to go out faster than what is ideal to learn your limits and extend your abilities.
Yeah he should go out at 50 seconds the first lap a few times. How would he ever know what a sub 3 minute mile feels like unless he does this and learns his limits and how to extend his abilities.
Ahuh.... wrote:
Star wrote:I disagree that he should have gone out slower.
Sometimes you need to go out faster than what is ideal to learn your limits and extend your abilities.
Yeah he should go out at 50 seconds the first lap a few times. How would he ever know what a sub 3 minute mile feels like unless he does this and learns his limits and how to extend his abilities.
Very intelligent comparison.
Star wrote:
Septre wrote:Going out in 54 is probably what killed him. Should have stuck in the back with Andrews.
I disagree that he should have gone out slower.
Sometimes you need to go out faster than what is ideal to learn your limits and extend your abilities.
You can't get better without pushing it now and then.
So, in a future race where he goes out in 55, he will be more aware how it feels and should be more confident because he tried 54 before.
He is a 3:30 runner. Going out in 54 or 55 is past his limits. Why would that make him more confident? Confident in what? Dying and trying to on the last lap?
56.0 pace gets you to 3:30 flat, which is around his PR.
In order to hit the AR he has to average 55. the whole way.
You don't think he should prepare for an AR attempt at any point?
I'm saying you get a psychological boost from knowing what it really feels like to go out too fast.
In his mind he now knows he's gone out in 54.
So when he hits 55 in another race, in his mind he'll think "well I have gone 54 so this should feel easier".
Sometimes trial and error is what makes you better.
800m runners do this all the time, go out too fast one race and make and adjustment the next time.
Gave up wrote:
I'm sure he could have run faster. He gave up when he wasn't going to win. Watch how he runs the last bit. This guy has no heart. He should have toughed it out to the end. He's not a real racer. What a poor sport and a poor loser.
The NOP way. DNF if it's not going perfectly.
Also the way of a doper. If you have cheated your way to your results rather than 100% working your way there, you are not all-in and it's easy to quit.
Possible mind games going on ? Not that I am particularly a fan of centro, but perhaps there could be a bigger play here. His utterly poor performance in a fast (for the first lap at least) rabbited race tells his competitors that he can't handle faster paces. He could in fact want them to have that mindset going into the championships, thus resulting in a faster race where most will start to struggle in the last 200 meters or so. This will allow him to tap on his closing speed if he keeps in close contact but doesn't go with the leaders.
Anyone actually watch the race? Goes out in 53-53, cruises next two laps, decides not to go for win, jogs in the rest. Pretty much all there is to it.
Might just be inconsistency because he's human.
Not saying he's clean or dirty. I don't know. What I do know is that it's not easy to consistently run well every single race.
What a disappointing end to his season.
Or is he going to chase a 3:29 in Europe now? There are a few more meets. He doesn't seem like the type to have the heart for that after a defeat, though.
