David Torrence Workout Wednesday, Galen Rupp could do that for a 12 mile tempo!

The least experienced runners have the widest gap between what they know and what they think they know about athletic training. That workout seems to be right what one would expect from a 1500m man in January.

malmo wrote:

The least experienced runners have the widest gap between what they know and what they think they know about athletic training. That workout seems to be right what one would expect from a 1500m man in January.

Malmö,

That's a workout I would expect a 3:45 1500 runner to do.

Would you have done that workout with 90 seconds rest each mile or just a straight 8 mile run at 4:55 pace? One is easy, the other is very easy. I'm sure even a pen state guy like you could figure it out.

You're very ignorant about training -f at any level.

The mistake people always make is to look at one workout in isolation - what did he do the day before or the day after, the week before, the week after? Did he back that up with a hard track session the following day or gym session that night - could any of the marathoner's you've mentioned hang with him on the uphill sprints after the workout? David said he use to do only 6 and now he's doing 8, so that speaks volumes within itself.

Everything is relative and what works for one doesn't always work for the other.

JR

What champions do wrote:

Ritz did 32x400 with 400m jog rest in 66 in HIGH SCHOOL.

I could be wrong, but I smell BS. That would total 16 miles for the workout not including warm up and cool down. 66s would be 4:24 pace. So you're saying that in HIGHSCHOOL, Ritz was able to run 4:24 PACE, with a 1 LAP recovery for 16 miles? Even if he was capable of that (which I highly doubt), why would he be doing that for the high school 5K? There's actually no way thats true, if hes doing a 16 mile workout then whats his long run? 20 miles? That WORKOUT right there is longer than 95% of top tier U.S. highschoolers LONG RUN. Get your facts straight.

What the champions do wrote:

He's not even close to Steve Scott because he's not training hard enough. I bet if he stepped up his intensity he'd be just as good or better than Scott.

In his defense he did go to Cal.

I flostalked him. He ran like 50 miles a week while at Cal and the next couple years. He's a sub 13 runner who bought into Tony Sandoval.

kod3200 wrote:

What champions do wrote:

Ritz did 32x400 with 400m jog rest in 66 in HIGH SCHOOL.

I could be wrong, but I smell BS. That would total 16 miles for the workout not including warm up and cool down. 66s would be 4:24 pace. So you're saying that in HIGHSCHOOL, Ritz was able to run 4:24 PACE, with a 1 LAP recovery for 16 miles? Even if he was capable of that (which I highly doubt), why would he be doing that for the high school 5K? There's actually no way thats true, if hes doing a 16 mile workout then whats his long run? 20 miles? That WORKOUT right there is longer than 95% of top tier U.S. highschoolers LONG RUN. Get your facts straight.

It's only 8 miles of 4:24 pace which is probably more like 4:26 pace if he averaged 66.5s. I myself did half of the same work out only barely slower in high school, and Ritz would have beat me by 40-50s over two miles in high school. Seems realistic.

I couldn't do that workout. So it is probably a bit too tough.

malmo wrote:

You're very ignorant about training -f at any level.

You've got to be trolling me. 4:55 pace for a 3:33 1500, 13:16 5000 is nothing but a stroll in the park. And he's running 3:33 training like that!! He could be flirting with 3:26 getting out of control and pushing the envelope.

I know this is just one day but he made his 8 mile run 12 minutes longer than it needed to be.

What champions do wrote:

thisguy wrote:

Rupp is a 5k/10k guy, Torrence is an 800/1500 runner primarily. As such, his tempo running is obviously going to be slower. Given Rupp's specialty is the 10k, he is going to have a huge focus on tempo running and getting that pace as fast as possible. I bet Rupp tempos at 4:30-35 /mile, which is pretty crazy. Torrence is in his base phase and likely cares more about tempo running as a step better 3k/5k workouts to support his 1500m training. He's getting 8 miles of work in at sub 4:55 avg on a dirt loop - that's damn solid for a miler.

No it's not. That's not even close to a solid workout for an elite miler. Maybe he could get closer to Centro by running those reps in the 4:30s.

You can advise Torrence on his workout here.

kod3200 wrote:

What champions do wrote:

Ritz did 32x400 with 400m jog rest in 66 in HIGH SCHOOL.

I could be wrong, but I smell BS. That would total 16 miles for the workout not including warm up and cool down. 66s would be 4:24 pace. So you're saying that in HIGHSCHOOL, Ritz was able to run 4:24 PACE, with a 1 LAP recovery for 16 miles? Even if he was capable of that (which I highly doubt), why would he be doing that for the high school 5K? There's actually no way thats true, if hes doing a 16 mile workout then whats his long run? 20 miles? That WORKOUT right there is longer than 95% of top tier U.S. highschoolers LONG RUN. Get your facts straight.

There was a thread on here a few weeks ago about ritz's legendary high school workout. That was the year he was 3rd behind Bekele at the world junior xc champs. Makes sense the third best junior in the world could run a workout like that.

David Torrence is the man! I remember when he was posting as Big Wave and trying to win a bet by breaking 4 in a downhill mile. A lot of hard work has brought him to where he is today and I am rooting for him to make the US teams in the next couple of years.

The workout was nothing crazy but solid. It seems like a lot of people on letsrun think every workout you run should indicate what kind of shape you are in, and that is not the point of training.

Also those Hokas are probably a few seconds slower per mile than your standard 6 oz racing flat.

It would never occur to a 14:50 LRC poster that the 13:16 guy is doing it right and that he is doing it wrong.

I've been around 13:0x guys and 8 miles under 5:00 pace is not a big deal. This coach jams Aden is stuck in the British multi tier coe BS the only worked for coe and a few other super talented freaks.

Bets now lay them out!

Torrence slows while working with jams Aden, and leaves in the next 18 months! Doesn't PR under him! Nothing.... Too much focus on 3k paced shit not enough hard fast continuos runs!

know-it-all joe wrote:

And yet Jama Aden has the best mid-d group on the planet right now.

This is the type of thing a 63-64 half marathon runner would do, which would probably be the best endurance Torrence has had in his life.

PS - standing rest is just as hard, in some ways harder, than jogging rest.

I think that he left Jama last year.

Brenda Martinez just did a 4 mile anaerobic tempo in 20:19

http://instagram.com/p/x3B_4hyd-i/

Who cares what tempo Ryan Vail did, Ryan Vail couldn't handle DT's fast track workouts either, and his 10x200s would look easy by comparison. That's why they run different events.

reader of the forums wrote:

Brenda Martinez just did a 4 mile anaerobic tempo in 20:19

http://instagram.com/p/x3B_4hyd-i/

We used to call these "time trials".

Guys it's freaking January. Lagat is probably throwing back tecate and rolling Js with Abdi. By comparison, DT looks like a tryhard.