Asbel MF Kiprop!!!!!!!!!!!!

um noooooo wrote:

Makh is Back wrote:

There is just as much "evidence" that Centrowitz and Manzano are doped as there is Makhloufi. But, I get it, you think all Arabs are cheaters and terrorists.

The point is Makhloufi came from absolutely nowhere to win a gold medal. That is why people think he is doped. If John Doe from America came from nowhere to win a gold, we'd think he's doped, too.

He didn't come out of nowhere if you actually follow athletics outside of the US.

Centrowitz and Manzano, now THEY came out of nowhere to win medals.

Makh Is Back wrote:

Centrowitz and Manzano, now THEY came out of nowhere to win medals.

Centrowitz won a bronze one year earlier

Makh Is Back wrote:

Centrowitz and Manzano, now THEY came out of nowhere to win medals.

I do follow international athletics. The fact is, nabbing a medal in a tactical race where the talent is not at its strongest is much different from making the rounds look easy and then winning gold handily. Big big difference.

um noooooo wrote:

The point is Makhloufi came from absolutely nowhere to win a gold medal. That is why people think he is doped. If John Doe from America came from nowhere to win a gold, we'd think he's doped, too.

I believe he ran a very threatening time (3:30.9?) in the same season as the 2012 Olympics. The fact that he got overlooked meant he had to make a mockery of the field in the heats and semis to make him look unbeatable

RunWild wrote:

um noooooo wrote:

The point is Makhloufi came from absolutely nowhere to win a gold medal. That is why people think he is doped. If John Doe from America came from nowhere to win a gold, we'd think he's doped, too.

I believe he ran a very threatening time (3:30.9?) in the same season as the 2012 Olympics. The fact that he got overlooked meant he had to make a mockery of the field in the heats and semis to make him look unbeatable

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He flew under the radar because Americans and others only take seriously their own or Africans - no one else. It's called being insular. There was Canadian guy at worlds who improved 4 sec in the 800m (1.49 to 1.45) in a year. He ran at Dartmouth before that - obvious doper? Who improves that much, and no one in America had heard of him either. The point is that just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean that he hadn't been developing. Even the Brojos put on the front page about Anita Hinsriksdottir from Iceland (running 2.00 in HS for 800m - they had never heard of her) or Jessica Judd (sub-2.00 in HS) from Britain as well. This is typical of the ignorance of other cultures - the sport exists in other places than the US and Africa.

Where is Algeria?

Where is Morocco?

Learn geography before you provide anecdotes or baseless speculation. Also remember Makh's little charade in the 800m rounds and his reinstatement.

reader of the forums wrote:

Makh Is Back wrote:

Centrowitz and Manzano, now THEY came out of nowhere to win medals.

Centrowitz won a bronze one year earlier

Exactly, and with a 3:34 PR, it was out of nowhere.

Makh Is Back wrote:

reader of the forums wrote:

Centrowitz won a bronze one year earlier

Exactly, and with a 3:34 PR, it was out of nowhere.

No

He was the NCAA champion and US national champion beating lagat in the process.

maloofi ran ~ 20m wide in his gold

he was in

3'26/3'27

he took off '13

(gold)

he just fired coach/manager

he looked ready to pounce 100 out

maloofi just run 3'30pb

& he appeared not to have a clue in the race !!!

reader of the forums wrote:

Makh Is Back wrote:

Exactly, and with a 3:34 PR, it was out of nowhere.

No

He was the NCAA champion and US national champion beating lagat in the process.

Ooooh, NCAA's, that's totally almost as big as Worlds.

He didn't even have the A standard until he got destroyed at Monaco but hung on for 10th place in 3:34.

Of all the healthy runners Makhloufi had the best PR in the field and had been a world-class runner for multiple years before that. I don't think Centrowitz was cheating but he was for sure more "out of nowhere" than Makhloufi. The arguments against him are ridiculous.

Amazing how Kiprop pulled away when Kiplagat threatened. Smooth and fast. I hope he can get to Monaco in good health, peaking just right. Put Mo in the race again and see what happens.

Perhaps a pattern emerges -- every fourth year we have the non-championship season; the top athletes want to post fast marks. It's a different game.

We have Americans running 13:02 to open their seasons; a crazy fast/deep/competitive 1500 in Doha. Early blasts!

It makes for an interesting and different type of season. I think the hot performances will keep coming. It will be interesting to see how championship runners such as Mo and Centro fare in a season like this.

(Yeah I'm not talking about PEDs... that's been amply covered here.)

Strange , having just finished reading Tyler Hamiltons book it is quite easy to look for similarities in what goes on ... only here it seems to be athletes chosing or are they pumped by the agents ? any views

dirty out and out !!!!

IGF1 LR3 .................

IGF-1 LR3 AGAIN AND AGAIN AND OVER ,

THE KENYANS ARE NOW ALL OVER THIS PED .

JUST look at steeple , womens 3000m , 1500m

many running fast times where as before one or two.

with this stuff can peak easily and choose when .

know that makhloufi' s training group using IGF1 LR3

at very least .

THE KENYANS SAW what this can do for distance events

in terms of speed and holding form , perfect equaliser

for steeple.

had mo and KIPROP LAST YEAR IN FAST 1500M

BEFORE THEM THE AMAN AND RUDISHA IN 800M ,

first distance events to benfit from it

AND THEN SO EVIDENT WHAT THIS STUFF COULD DO

WITH dibaba in winter that they all over it now.

clear as day what is going on in track .

you know something is up , and not the sky !!!!

sure smells fishy.

ONE THING ,the kenyans dont mess about when comes to doping

4 or 5 athletes in steeple and womens 3000m

is screaming doping to me where as to not be suspicicous

might only dope 1 or 2.

maybe better if 4,5 run fast times than 1 to divert attention .just say fast race.

AND IF WERE NOT COMPARING THESE TIMES against epo era times would be obvious red flag .

Thanks for your posts. You seem to be the only one willing to talk about what is really going on in T&F. How easy is to get these drugs in Kenya? Foreigner doctors maybe? Nobody in this message board seems to address your posts. Lots fear and cover up going on.

Go AfroKAe wrote:

Thanks for your posts. You seem to be the only one willing to talk about what is really going on in T&F. How easy is to get these drugs in Kenya? Foreigner doctors maybe? Nobody in this message board seems to address your posts. Lots fear and cover up going on.

No, lots of incoherent writing.

Incoherent indeed. but some, no a lot of truth to it.

Kiprop is clean.

yyy wrote:

Incoherent indeed. but some, no a lot of truth to it.

Kiprop is clean.

Isn't his manager/ coach Dr Rosa?

I read on another board that he was but need confirmation!

Makh Is Back wrote:

um noooooo wrote:

The point is Makhloufi came from absolutely nowhere to win a gold medal. That is why people think he is doped. If John Doe from America came from nowhere to win a gold, we'd think he's doped, too.

He didn't come out of nowhere if you actually follow athletics outside of the US.

Centrowitz and Manzano, now THEY came out of nowhere to win medals.

Gentleman,

Just give it up. Please.

Mathew Centrowitz came out of nowhere?

I had not heard of Makhloufi before London.

Yes, I watch races in places other than the US. I am not even American.

I am not here to say whether Makhloufi is clean or not but he did raise the question; 'who is this guy?'

Now we know him. We know who he is.