Duane Solomon 1:13.28 600m

coach d wrote:

Well, I don't get why Solomon even ran that race in Edmonton. You certainly aren't fully recovered in 2 days. But, then, they don't give out medals for 600s (as Khadevis Robinson knows well :(.

It's going to be interesting to see what Amman and Amos can run.

Won't be fully recovered in Moscow for prelims semis and finals. When you are fit and race ready this is great training.

tiiiiit wrote:

I figure that puts him in 1:43.0 shape at least.

It would be a phenomenal time for a mile/800 type, for a 400/800 type I would say it equal to low 1:43 shape. The good thing for Solomon is he got out too quick but still managed to hold it together. After that first 200, I figured he would bail on the WR attempt at around the 500m mark. - That was a good race, which goes to show Gray's record is strong.

According to Standardized Track Event Conversion Factors, 1:13.28 for 600m, converts to 44.14 for 400 (73.28/1.66), and 1:41.13 for 800m (73.28*1.38). However, I don't believe Solomon is capable of either of those times, perhaps the 600m is his sweet spot, unfortunately for him it's not a major event. Same could be said for Cas Loxsom (his 600m converts to ~1:42). These standard conversion factors are a little off to say the least: http://www.ustfccca.org/assets/track-event-conversions-standardized.pdf

here"s the race-- http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250526-Harry-Jerome-International-Track-Classic-2013-NTL-4/video/716360-M-600-F01-Solomon-1

and yet he did.....1:13.9 600m time trial before london...its in his log you can buy fyi lolso while this time is impressive its not crazy. if duane soloman is not too sharp yet, which i assume he is, makes it great. i wonder what rudisha could run for 600m, my guess he could possibly get under 1:12. Symmonds though for sure has run 1:13 lol

WHatttt wrote:

Flo'da boy wrote:

Didn't Symmonds run a 1:13.xx time trial some time before London.

I think Duane will be in 600 record shape when he's sharp if all goes well

and on course Gray's record is in danger

Maybe sub 1:42?

1:13.xx????Symmonds couldn't touch 1:13....I could see 1"14 mid...but...Symmonds doesnt have the speed for 1:13-low

The wind was in their face for 2 of the three turns and it was significant - so a great run.

you think a few seconds of being slowed slightly by a pacer cost him over 1 second? maybe 0.2 seconds tops. besides, he went out too fast. he should have come through in 47.0 but he went though 0.5 seconds too fast. through 200 in 22 mid.

jackinthebox wrote:

According to Standardized Track Event Conversion Factors, 1:13.28 for 600m, converts to 44.14 for 400 (73.28/1.66), and 1:41.13 for 800m (73.28*1.38). However, I don't believe Solomon is capable of either of those times, perhaps the 600m is his sweet spot, unfortunately for him it's not a major event. Same could be said for Cas Loxsom (his 600m converts to ~1:42). These standard conversion factors are a little off to say the least:

http://www.ustfccca.org/assets/track-event-conversions-standardized.pdf

Those conversion charts are absurdly biased towards shorter events...1:13.28 is far more impressive that 44.14, and the 800 is in turn more impressive than the 600 time

Purdy points give 44.66 and 1:42.67.

1:42 mid seems pretty good, but I would say 44 mid is a bit soft

Sounds about right. This is obviously a fantastic performance, but as the 600 is likely right at his sweet spot, this is probably right in line with the best we have seen from him. Assuming no Rudisha, is he the co-favorite with Aman for Moscow? I have to think so.

tiiiiit wrote:

I figure that puts him in 1:43.0 shape at least.

Based on past calculations done by John Kellogg, I'm going to guess it's something more like 1:43.3. JK had estimated his indoor 1:15.70 to be a 1:46.72 so I just took that percentage (1.409775429) and multiplied it. Not sure if that's how JK does it or not.

In London, Solomon closed in 27 flat from 600 to 800 which shows you how ridiculous Rudisha's world record is. If Solomon closed in the same time, he'd barely have the World Record.

jackinthebox wrote: Same could be said for Cas Loxsom (his 600m converts to ~1:42). These standard conversion factors are a little off to say the least:

http://www.ustfccca.org/assets/track-event-conversions-standardized.pdf

tie 20 performer all time world and tie 12 USA I believe

Impressive run by Solomon! Conditions were good, but not perfect. As mentioned, a couple of turns into the breeze, too fast to start, and then having to adjust and run past the rabbit - in total, maybe .2/.3 ? Good run by Cas. also, he PB'ed at 400 and 600 m.

To coach d., although the track isn't mondo, it's a high quality full pour polyurethane, and is plenty fast.

reed wrote:

you think a few seconds of being slowed slightly by a pacer cost him over 1 second? maybe 0.2 seconds tops. besides, he went out too fast. he should have come through in 47.0 but he went though 0.5 seconds too fast. through 200 in 22 mid.

I agree he went out too fast, but if you watch you can see how much the pacer slows because the 2nd and 3rd guys bunch up right behind Solomon when he goes by. And his time is only about 1/2 a second behind the record so it would have been close.

jackinthebox wrote:According to Standardized Track Event Conversion Factors, 1:13.28 for 600m, converts to 44.14 for 400 (73.28/1.66), and 1:41.13 for 800m (73.28*1.38). However, I don't believe Solomon is capable of either of those times, perhaps the 600m is his sweet spot

sadly, i agree that 600 looks to be his best distance

i don't know his 400pb but i'd imagine it's 45 - 46

theoretical 800s for 1'13.28 with

45.00 ->1'43.17

45.25 ->1'42.82

45.50 ->1'42.47

45.75 ->1'42.11

46.00 ->1'41.76

seeing as his 600 was far from ideal, everything points to a low-1'42/1'42-flat for his potential 800, but i don't think anyone expects this...

Symmonds twitter response implied he went like 1:13-high

coach d wrote:

...and likely pulled further ahead today.....

BS. You guys are overestemating this way too much. His 600m time doesn't say much, theres simply not enough good runners who do the 600m. What matters is the 800m, which he is looking to have yet another solid and perhaps better year in, but this 600m shoudln't be valued like some crazy sign of gold in Moscow. How many times have Rudisha, Kipketer, Rodal etc etc run the 600m in top shape?

Yea, thats right. Are you guys Objective about US runners? I think not

Hmmmmmmmmm wrote:

....1:13.28 is far more impressive that 44.14...

No its not.

jackinthebox wrote:

According to Standardized Track Event Conversion Factors, 1:13.28 for 600m, converts to 44.14 for 400 (73.28/1.66),

that conversion factor of 1.66 smokes crack. Rudisha's 45.5 for example converts to 1:15.53 which is slower (by far) than his WR split.