21-yr old Laura Weightman runs 8:43.46 for 3k to open up 2013- imagine if she was in NCAA - she'd be Jenny Simpson

Cow Man wrote:

Imagine if she were a Kenyan or Ethiopian not running for a US college.

Instead of a white English woman not running for a US college

Rojo would not be posting about her.

So devoting a large part of the front page to 19-year old Hagos Gebrehiwet's amazing 3000 opener and writing an article on it doesn't count I suppose? Gebrehiwet isn't running for a US college last time I checked.

Weightman's run was not comparable to Gebrehiwet's, not even close.

It would be the equivalent of a 21 yr old male running about 13.15 I'd imagine. Very good, but not unheard of and certainly not by an Kenyan or Ethiopian (and as such, would get little or no fanfare on this site). That was the point being made, but I think you knew that

Imagine if Jenny didn't have to run the NCAA schedule she did to score points.

Yes she ran the steeple as well !

Jenny would have run far faster.

Weightman is going to be a great one without question.

A personal record for Jessica Judd, (old PR of 2:00.96, run last summer) and faster than Ajee Wilson. She also ran 9:00.06 3K indoors. JJ is only about a year older than Mary Cain.

[quote]rojo wrote:

I think at the same meet (not 100% sure it was the same meet) Jessica Judd ran a 2:00.37 800. Some of the zBrits are calling it a world lead. It's not. Brenda Martinez ran 1:59 last week.

Great performance by Weightman, but should have an asterisk next to it because it was a mixed race. There were two guys that ran 8:43.59 and 8:43.80. BTW: they are really into mixed races in the UK. In the US, we wouldn't count these on yearly lists or for record purposes.

rojo wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/22525761

Weightman, at age 21, already is an Olympic 1,500 finalist wiht a 4:02.99 pb.

If she were in the NCAA right now, she'd basically b Jenny Simpson from 2009 but a year younger.

In 2009, Simpson set collegiate records at 3000 and 1,500 (8:42.03 and 3:59.90). Except Simpson with an August bday was 22. Weightman (July bday) is basically doing what Simpson did in college but at a full year younger.

Very impressive.

Brits, it looks like you guys will have a stud to cheer for for the next decade.

Simpson's collegiate record was set in a race against women! Not a mixed race. In fact when she ran the 8:42, it was indoors (more turns and earlier in the season = slower time), Barringer was 14 seconds ahead of the 2nd place finisher. She ran on her own. If she had been surrounded / paced by men, she most likely could have gone much much faster.

Cow Man wrote:

Imagine if she were a Kenyan or Ethiopian not running for a US college.

Instead of a white English woman not running for a US college

Rojo would not be posting about her.

Probably because Kenyan or Ethiopian's doing it is dull and there is an endless conveyor belt of dull, robotic distance athletes form those countries. That is not an insult or criticism. However anybody else doing it is exciting because it appears unique, different and fresh, therefore exciting.

Cow Man wrote:

Imagine if she were a Kenyan or Ethiopian not running for a US college.

Instead of a white English woman not running for a US college

Rojo would not be posting about her.

Hmm. Did I not just do two pieces last week on Kenya's 19-year old phenom Faith Kipyegon?

Please tell me where else in the world outside of Kenyan athletes are celebrated besides LetsRun.com?

We are the only website in the world where the international pro action of distance runnning is treated as fron page news.

Others act like the Oxy meet is bigger than Doha or that the Texas high school state meet is a big deal.

not a britt wrote:

Great performance by Weightman, but should have an asterisk next to it because it was a mixed race. There were two guys that ran 8:43.59 and 8:43.80. BTW: they are really into mixed races in the UK. In the US, we wouldn't count these on yearly lists or for record purposes.

I wouldn't say the UK is 'really into mixed races'. It's just a BMC thing.

The races tend to be seeded on ability and not age/gender.

Although it probably wouldn't be counted for record purposes, I don't really see how it's not a valid result.

I fixed it for you:

not an advocate of mixed races wrote:

In fact when (Simpson) ran the 8:42, it was indoors (controlled temps and no wind = faster time)

rojo wrote:

Cow Man wrote:

Imagine if she were a Kenyan or Ethiopian not running for a US college.

Instead of a white English woman not running for a US college

Rojo would not be posting about her.

Hmm. Did I not just do two pieces last week on Kenya's 19-year old phenom Faith Kipyegon?

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/05/is-tyson-gay-better-than-usain-bolt-lawi-lalang-the-ncaa-1500-fav-abbey-d-does-does-the-10k-is-faith-kipyegon-on-drugs-is-the-pac-12-the-sec/http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/05/2013-doha-womens-1500-abeba-aregawi-wins-as-three-women-run-357-54-or-better/

Please tell me where else in the world outside of Kenyan athletes are celebrated besides LetsRun.com?

We are the only website in the world where the international pro action of distance runnning is treated as fron page news.

Others act like the Oxy meet is bigger than Doha or that the Texas high school state meet is a big deal.

Nice Rojo!!! throwing rocks at those idiots on flocrack hahaha

rojo wrote:

Cow Man wrote:

Imagine if she were a Kenyan or Ethiopian not running for a US college.

Instead of a white English woman not running for a US college

Rojo would not be posting about her.

Hmm. Did I not just do two pieces last week on Kenya's 19-year old phenom Faith Kipyegon?

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/05/is-tyson-gay-better-than-usain-bolt-lawi-lalang-the-ncaa-1500-fav-abbey-d-does-does-the-10k-is-faith-kipyegon-on-drugs-is-the-pac-12-the-sec/http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/05/2013-doha-womens-1500-abeba-aregawi-wins-as-three-women-run-357-54-or-better/

Please tell me where else in the world outside of Kenyan athletes are celebrated besides LetsRun.com?

We are the only website in the world where the international pro action of distance runnning is treated as fron page news.

Others act like the Oxy meet is bigger than Doha or that the Texas high school state meet is a big deal.

Gotta give Rojo props here. He gave more corroborating evidence to essentially make my same point. People go out of their way to look for racism/bigotry on here, which doesn't exist much, except for the troll threads and the ones started by that atheist UTEP grad w/"Little, Big Man" syndrome. Heck, the Brojos picked on poor little Galen for years (or, at least they did little to prevent it).

rojo wrote:

Cow Man wrote:

Imagine if she were a Kenyan or Ethiopian not running for a US college.

Instead of a white English woman not running for a US college

Rojo would not be posting about her.

Hmm. Did I not just do two pieces last week on Kenya's 19-year old phenom Faith Kipyegon?

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/05/is-tyson-gay-better-than-usain-bolt-lawi-lalang-the-ncaa-1500-fav-abbey-d-does-does-the-10k-is-faith-kipyegon-on-drugs-is-the-pac-12-the-sec/http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/05/2013-doha-womens-1500-abeba-aregawi-wins-as-three-women-run-357-54-or-better/

Please tell me where else in the world outside of Kenyan athletes are celebrated besides LetsRun.com?

We are the only website in the world where the international pro action of distance runnning is treated as fron page news.

Others act like the Oxy meet is bigger than Doha or that the Texas high school state meet is a big deal.

Come on Rojo. If Weightman was a Kenyan not running for a US college you would not have posted about her and you know it. Don't you?

The fact that you are less racist than others on this board is nothing to crow about. We are all racist to some degree but those who cannot acknowledge it are the worst

I like the way England does the Athlete's Profile...easy to see the progression

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=12924

They even have a parkrun progression. Awesome.

Sagarin / Rojo - you're missing the point (and before you try to claim as much, it wasn't me who posted as 'Cow Man').

The point he was making was that 8.41 is good but not great on a world stage. Both Gebrehiwet and Kipyegon's performances were streets ahead of Weightman's and rightly got the credit they deserved.

But if a 21 yr old female Ethiopian or Kenyan ran 8.41, Rojo would more than likely not be starting a thread on it. And that has nothing to do with racism or bigotry, just the current state of affairs in global distance running and our subsequent expectations of East (and North, to a lesser extent) Africans when compared to the rest of the world

8.43, sorry

skrela wrote:

Sagarin / Rojo - you're missing the point (and before you try to claim as much, it wasn't me who posted as 'Cow Man').

The point he was making was that 8.41 is good but not great on a world stage. Both Gebrehiwet and Kipyegon's performances were streets ahead of Weightman's and rightly got the credit they deserved.

But if a 21 yr old female Ethiopian or Kenyan ran 8.41, Rojo would more than likely not be starting a thread on it. And that has nothing to do with racism or bigotry, just the current state of affairs in global distance running and our subsequent expectations of East (and North, to a lesser extent) Africans when compared to the rest of the world

No. It does have to do with racism. Not the most virulent kind, but racism nonetheless. Like rooting for Lemaitre or Wariner -- something I do. We root for them cuz they are white and we are white, no other reason. That is racism. Racism is irrational and cannot be controlled. But surely we can take a rational look at it and see it for what it is?

Cow Man wrote:

Come on Rojo. If Weightman was a Kenyan not running for a US college you would not have posted about her and you know it. Don't you?

The fact that you are less racist than others on this board is nothing to crow about. We are all racist to some degree but those who cannot acknowledge it are the worst

wtf are you talking about?

Making a post on a message board about a runner from the UK is racist?

rofl