Will have to wait and see with Fleet. He's a bigger guy and might struggle with the injury thing and after a while might say the heck with it.
Dunbar is doing awesome. What will he run at NCAA's?
Will have to wait and see with Fleet. He's a bigger guy and might struggle with the injury thing and after a while might say the heck with it.
Dunbar is doing awesome. What will he run at NCAA's?
Mac ran 4:02 in high school. He finished 2nd in the NCAA Indoor Meet as a frosh. He broke Rupp's indoor mile school record as a frosh. He then had a bad navicular fracture that took a long time to heal. Then within months of coming back, after missing at least 5 or 6 months of running, he broke 4 last year indoors on limited training. He's got real talent. It didn't go anywhere. Once he gets back at it, and he will, he'll be a force on the national level; at 1500.
Did you see his anchor at ND? Had to be sub 4. Almost kicked down Leslie in stretch. His unfamiliarity with the event cost him. He will flourish at Oregon.
They have a great core of young guys. They're prob a couple years away yet though. Schrader, Pickering, Noelle, Watson, Winn, Alexander, Hornsby. They all are super talents that will thrive at TRACK TOWN. Combine them with Stinson, Greer, Fleet, Dunbar, Puskedra, Guyota, Finley and some guys I'm no doubt forgetting and that is a group that will keep the Oregon machine rolling for awhile!!!!
One guy who is a little bit better than some listed is Elkaim who has already run 8:03 3K and 4:05 a 7 second PR as a frosh
Dunbar did indeed run fast on that anchor and they ran 9:31.x without Fleet or Greer imagine that, that is at least 4 seconds
Colby Alexander has been fighting some injuries since HS and missed all XC and indoors this year but recently has run a couple decent 1500's in 3:48 and 3:47 and a just ran a 4:05 mile leg on the 4xmile at Penn Relays. Appears to be making a solid comeback from a long time off in his freshman season at Oregon.
He's been running outdoors. Didn't run indoors. Injured. He's run three 1500/miles so far. Times were 3:48, 3:47 and anchored Oregon's 4 mile relay at Penn Relays with a 4:05. He's significantly faster than he was in high school which is a good thing.
Nice race by Colby Alexander this past weekend, 3:46 1500. Stayed in the back of the pack and moved up the last lap to get 4th. Awesome to see him running well.
Still no sign of Mac Fleet outdoors....And PAC 12s are right around the corner.
So much talent on the team right now, so few results. The Ducks are hitting the skids for a bit. It'd be great to see them come back around with the 1500m/5000m powerhouse potential they have!
Hitting the skids? They have 6 guys at 1:50 or better at 800, 4 of them under. They have NINE guys at 3:47 or better in the 1500. 3 have gone sub 14 5K, and they are heavy with freshman and sophs. Are you expecting them to be like the year they had Rupp, Centro, Wheating, Acosta, Biwott, and Mcnamara? That was one of the greatest teams ever in the ncaa if you look at accomplishments so far. Oregon lost Centro and Lukas and Gedyon this year and still are seeing positive and strong results. I think the previous class just set an amazingly high bar to reach.
I do run run run wrote:
Oregon lost Centro and Lukas and Gedyon this year and still are seeing positive and strong results.
Centro was definitely a BIG loss to Oregon's hopes on the track, but really...how much did Lukas really contribute to XC in his short time with the program. And Gedyon, REALLY a loss???? The few times he's race for a local community college, he's put up sub-par times at best, nothing that would rank ahead of any of the times actual Oregon runners have been posting. So yes, Oregon lost Centro.
A loss is a loss, and Gedyon and Lukas as more prospects added to the depth changes things.
The real comparison is that Oregon had one of the greatest groups ever assembled in NCAA history just a couple years ago, and that can't be expected to be duplicated every time, not even close. But the guys they have now and the season so far is going pretty well for what they have hit. But here is what they lost in the last few years.
Rupp: 3:39 1500, 3:56 mile, 13:18 5K, 27:33 10K
Acosta: 3:36 1500, 3:53 mile
Wheating: 1:44 800, 3:30 1500, 3:51 mile
Centrowitz: 3:34 1500, 3:57 mile
McNamara: 3:40 1500, 3:59 mile
Biwott: 3:59 mile, 13:36 5K, 18:28 10K
Interesting how things change. Mac and Elijah are both NCAA champs while Chad had great season.
Funny isn't it? wrote:
Interesting how things change. Mac and Elijah are both NCAA champs while Chad had great season.
I remember this thread, funny you did.
What's interesting is that the negative nabobs of doom never come back and take their licks when they are WRONG.
Andy Powell* has now coached:
3 x 1500m NCAA Champs
2 x 800m NCAA Champs
(Vin and Andy).
Middle distance has been great under Vin and Andy. But its time to say that 5/10,000 has been disappointing under their watch. Before you bring up Rupp, he was coached strictly by Salazar so Vin and Andy can't take coaching credit for him. Puskedra was good but considering the hype around him coming in I wasn't that impressed with how he developed over 4 years. Same with Stinson and a few others. Yesterday the NCAA 5000M had no Ducks in it. That is pretty striking considering the tradition of that race at Hayward.
ryan foreman wrote:
Middle distance has been great under Vin and Andy. But its time to say that 5/10,000 has been disappointing under their watch. Before you bring up Rupp, he was coached strictly by Salazar so Vin and Andy can't take coaching credit for him. Puskedra was good but considering the hype around him coming in I wasn't that impressed with how he developed over 4 years. Same with Stinson and a few others. Yesterday the NCAA 5000M had no Ducks in it. That is pretty striking considering the tradition of that race at Hayward.
You are looking at things way too simply, and from not nearly a high enough view.
A Duck wrote:
What's interesting is that the negative nabobs of doom never come back and take their licks when they are WRONG.
This quote is amazing, coming from you.
UO middle distance has been fantastic since 04, but I agree that their distance runners have underperformed (when you put it into perspective).
With the exception of Puskedra, did any of their guys represent in XC? They should have multiple guys fighting for top 15 every year and the only time they're not on the podium should be an off year. On the track, I expect 2-3 guys in the 5k and the same in the 10k- every year.
I'm comparing this to Vin's time at Stanford where this was absolutely the case.
To be fair, UO's 1500 core is as good (slightly better even) than Stanford's were and the 800 group is leaps and bounds better than the non existent group on the farm.
Perhaps the lack of distance success (again, relatively) is due to the focus on field events and sprinters? I remember at one point Stanford had like 15 sub9 HS guys on the squad, is UO not following this blue print?
A the end of the day, you can't be everything to everyone.
ouchouchouch wrote:
A Duck wrote:What's interesting is that the negative nabobs of doom never come back and take their licks when they are WRONG.
This quote is amazing, coming from you.
You must have a real problem with reading and comprehension.
I never predict times/races. Nor do I come on here and use 16,000 different names like you all, and dog on other athletes and schools.
>>> I do slam those that lie and libel athletes though.