impressive run by Steve Jones

Chris Wasnetsky wrote:

291 27:23.44 Carlos Lopes POR 18.02.47 1 Oslo 09.07.1983

319 27:25.13 Fernando Mamede POR 01.11.51 2 Oslo 09.07.1983

444 27:31.19 Nick Rose GBR 30.12.51 3 Oslo 09.07.1983

648 27:39.14 Steve Jones GBR 04.08.55 4 Oslo 09.07.1983

1449 27:55.66 Steve Binns GBR 25.08.60 5 Oslo 09.07.1983

1488 27:56.17 Markus Ryffel SUI 05.02.55 6 Oslo 09.07.1983

1626 27:57.83 Rodolfo Gómez MEX 30.10.50 7 Oslo 09.07.1983

1768 27:59.49 David Clarke GBR 01.01.58 8 Oslo 09.07.1983

2881 28:10.93 Julian Goater GBR 12.01.53 9 Oslo 09.07.1983

3417 28:15.19 Roy Andersen NOR 02.04.55 10 Oslo 09.07.1983

Only sub 28:20 performances though.

Wrong. There were more athletes to finish that run than the 10. For example Rafael Marques from Portugal 28:28 isn´t in the list. he was overlaped by Lopes and Mamede in the final lap.

Just for the record. 27:23.44 Carlos Lopes on that day it was european record that he took from Fernando Mamede.

At 7k split passes Steve Jones took the lead to Nick Rose.

Both britts intend to take teh european record. At 7k split both were some 20meters ahead of the Mamede-Lopes-Binns pack. But then with 2k to go Lopes passes the lead group, opens up a gap of some 30 metres and wins. In that process Lopes did 3:48 in the last 1500m.

Antonio Cabral wrote:

Wrong. There were more athletes to finish that run than the 10. For example Rafael Marques from Portugal 28:28 isn´t in the list. he was overlaped by Lopes and Mamede in the final lap.

Just for the record. 27:23.44 Carlos Lopes on that day it was european record that he took from Fernando Mamede.

At 7k split passes Steve Jones took the lead to Nick Rose.

Both britts intend to take teh european record. At 7k split both were some 20meters ahead of the Mamede-Lopes-Binns pack. But then with 2k to go Lopes passes the lead group, opens up a gap of some 30 metres and wins. In that process Lopes did 3:48 in the last 1500m.

I don't want to be a jackass, but can you read?

Antonio Cabral wrote:

Just for the record. 27:23.44 Carlos Lopes on that day it was european record that he took from Fernando Mamede.

At 7k split passes Steve Jones took the lead to Nick Rose.

Both britts intend to take teh european record. At 7k split both were some 20meters ahead of the Mamede-Lopes-Binns pack. But then with 2k to go Lopes passes the lead group, opens up a gap of some 30 metres and wins. In that process Lopes did 3:48 in the last 1500m.

Thank you for that information on the race!

I'm curious what the pace was at 7k. It sounds like a combination of Lopes speeding up, and everyone else except Mamede slowing down.

3 things to say-

Hi Antonio, nice to see you posting.

Great race by Jonesy, he didn't have a lot of pure speed, but surely tons of endurance and guts

My how times have changed. The announcer states he threw in a big surge ("kicked") of 2 laps in 2:10. For Bekele and Geb and the like, that would be a quite slow pace for the entire race. Hell, Solinsky threw down a 1:56 on his final 2 laps when already running basically 2:10 800 pace for the whole race!

Times have drastically changed (literally and figuratively).

Sir Lance-alot wrote:

3 things to say-

Hi Antonio, nice to see you posting.

Great race by Jonesy, he didn't have a lot of pure speed, but surely tons of endurance and guts

My how times have changed. The announcer states he threw in a big surge ("kicked") of 2 laps in 2:10. For Bekele and Geb and the like, that would be a quite slow pace for the entire race. Hell, Solinsky threw down a 1:56 on his final 2 laps when already running basically 2:10 800 pace for the whole race!

Times have drastically changed (literally and figuratively).

Wow, aren't you an oracle for the obvious. Lopes averaged 66.0 for 23 laps then kicked. Solinski averaged 65.2 for 23 laps then kicked. Wow. Incredible. That's unbelievable. impossible!

is 27:39 on the roads?[/quote]

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=846

Oslo track 4th

Nick Rose ran 27:31 - still only got 3rd!

thanks

Sir Lance-alot wrote:

Wow, aren't you an oracle for the obvious. Lopes averaged 66.0 for 23 laps then kicked. Solinski averaged 65.2 for 23 laps then kicked. Wow. Incredible. That's unbelievable. impossible!

First of all, that 2:10 reference was from the Jone's video, not his PR race with Lopes. You don't have to be a sarcastic jackass about it. Secondly, Solinsky was 24 seconds ahead of Lopes, which is quite significant. Being a dick never got anyone anywhere. Except Nixon.

Sir Lance-alot wrote:

My how times have changed. The announcer states he threw in a big surge ("kicked") of 2 laps in 2:10. For Bekele and Geb and the like, that would be a quite slow pace for the entire race. Hell, Solinsky threw down a 1:56 on his final 2 laps when already running basically 2:10 800 pace for the whole race!

Times have drastically changed (literally and figuratively).

2:10 is 27:05 pace, and that was with more than 2 laps to go.

I believe the WR was 27:22 at the time, and also consider the conditions of the race.

J.R. wrote:

2:10 is 27:05 pace, and that was with more than 2 laps to go. Yes, a pace that is a walk in the park for Geb, Bekele, and Tergat.....even if that pace was run the entire 25 laps. And Solinsky ran that "2:10 pace" for 23 laps. And then ran 1:56 for 2 more. And he still over 40 seconds off the WR !

[quote]J.R. wrote:I believe the WR was 27:22 at the time, and also consider the conditions of the race.

Sure, the conditions is a good point. I didn't say it wasn't a great race or move for the day and age it was run in. It was. But that was my whole point, times have changed drastically. As you point out, the WR then is over a minute slower than it is now. Times have literally and figuratively changed drastically. That is what I said. What did you point out that changes that conclusion?

Steve Binns, another gutsy runner.

Julian Goater won the English national cross country champs at Parliament Hill one year (1982, I think) by a huge margin. Something like 3 minutes; against a quality field. The "National" in those days was 9 miles.It was the "Mecca" of English cross country running with fields of 1000 plus and in which every club runner aspired to compete. Clubs could only enter 9 runners in those days. And the start resembled the Charge Of The Light Brigade. More often than not conditions could best be described as a bog. It also served as the trial for the World Cross. So every man and his dog were there ie :Foster, Mcleod, Rose, Hutchings etc Nowadays the National is only 12k, and it no longer is the official trial. Because of this the "National" has lost much of its character and of course this has coincided with the drop in standards in UK distance running. If any English cross country computer geek can download the results (top 100) of this classic race every year since the 70s that would be much appreciated.

Talking of the "National" Dave Clarke was probably the finest post war English cross country runner; something like 5 titles and 3 top ten placings in the World Cross back in the 80s.

Julian Goater - still running

I appreciate the summary of the race too, but that all-time athletics site doesn't keep 10k times slower than 28:20. I just copied and pasted all the sub 28:20 times.

In my opinion part of Solinsky sub 27:00 success he got it because he did run in negative split pace the entire run.

Don’t forget the world record was 27:22.4 by Henry Rono in 78.

Lopes 27:23.44 stands closer to the 10000m WR at that time. Lopes felt frustrate because he taught that wity more cooperation and not fight to win he could get Henry Rono WR.

Lopes did one lap in 57 seconds. I guess it was at 8000m split – then 5 to go.

pre-nuptial turnon wrote:

The melodramatic music is nauseating, the captions unnecessary- the commentary is more than sufficient.

He resembles Chris Solinsky after the finish.

Thanks. That's inspiring. The music is great and I like the captions- I may use one for a t-shirt quote.

He resembles Chris Solinksy after the finish.

Antonio Cabral wrote:In my opinion part of Solinsky sub 27:00 success he got it because he did run in negative split pace the entire run

eh ?

seeing as wr was run off a coupla 13'08s that statement is meaningless

sol was trying to win a race & ran accordingly

he was in 26'45 shape off even pace

runn wrote:

pre-nuptial turnon wrote:

The melodramatic music is nauseating, the captions unnecessary- the commentary is more than sufficient.

He resembles Chris Solinsky after the finish.

Thanks. That's inspiring. The music is great and I like the captions- I may use one for a t-shirt quote.

He resembles Chris Solinksy after the finish.

runn ~ I agree. The music and captions did not bother me at all either. Just a great effort with or without the embellishment.

I like the original much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlinW5ZwzGc

From the start of the video, it sounds like Jones did the 2:10 at half way through the race, and ran with a substantial lead from then on.

It would have been nice to see the whole race, or at least from just before the break was made.

You know what I have few regrets from running, but one of them was not to have raced Jonesy. I did have a chance in 1985. Jones ran, and won the Freedom Trail (8 miles), I ran the Bridge to Bridge 8 mile (lost by a stride to Dsve Lewis) and beat Jonesy's course record by 55 seconds. It would have been a fun race, becasue Jonesy would have had his hands full, but he would not have backed down.

Jonesy is a runner who signed up for the same sport that I did.