Radcliffe's WR was also only 7% slower than the men's WR.
Yeah, she was also doping. Thanks for pointing that out. Did you not already know that?
The fact that Chepngetich was within 7% of the completely ridiculous Kiptum record is crazy. I just watched that finish again. He is all smiling and pointing and animated. Like he just finished his warm up. Not a marathon WR.
If you are living and training in Kenya you shouldn’t be allowed to compete internationally.
"I am unclear why she is being maligned so much more than anyone else."
This is the greatest running feat of all time that is why. This is more of an outlier than Bolt, Kipchoge, Kiptum, and i'd put it right above FloJo. It's so easy to put a finger on as doped performance that more people are going to be loud about it.
"At that level, they are all on drugs"
I don't understand why people say this as if it's a defense. You ask why are people outraged, and then follow up with the answer. We know they are all on drug, and it frustrating to see it happen over and over again. Do you expect us to just celebrate a drugged performance? Should we give lance his Tours back? No. We want the sport to be better so we are going to call it out.
It's less about the WR being an outlier than the simple fact that women's sports are just not as strong as men's.
If they're all on drugs, then that's effectively a level-playing field. We celebrate this WR just as we celebrate D'AMATO and later Sisson's AR.
Quite a nonsensical response. You are either trolling, or have no interest in the integrity of the sport.
Radcliffe's WR was also only 7% slower than the men's WR.
Yeah, she was also doping. Thanks for pointing that out. Did you not already know that?
The fact that Chepngetich was within 7% of the completely ridiculous Kiptum record is crazy. I just watched that finish again. He is all smiling and pointing and animated. Like he just finished his warm up. Not a marathon WR.
If you are living and training in Kenya you shouldn’t be allowed to compete internationally.
again, if they're all on drugs, why the fuss about it and singling out an athlete?
I remember watching Seidel win the bronze in Tokyo, she also didn't look tired at all. In fact she's yelling and screaming like she could've gone on. Exactly the" animation" you're talking about.
I am unclear why she is being maligned so much more than anyone else.
She broke the women's marathon record by several minutes despite coming in with an unspectacular prior running history that didn't indicate she could break that record, let alone by that much. That's why.
It's less about the WR being an outlier than the simple fact that women's sports are just not as strong as men's.
If they're all on drugs, then that's effectively a level-playing field. We celebrate this WR just as we celebrate D'AMATO and later Sisson's AR.
Quite a nonsensical response. You are either trolling, or have no interest in the integrity of the sport.
"integrity of the sport?" what are you, eight? lol
they're paid to run. It's their job to run as fast and beat as many people as they can. Of course they're gonna take whatever it takes to get the best result. And I don't blame them for that, because I understand that, just as I understand a salesman wouldn't be truthful about their products out of "integrity"(so I would do my own research before purchasing).
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"Ruth Chepngetich’s epic 2:09:56 world record in the Chicago Marathon on Sunday was unequivocally the greatest marathon performance of all time.
And that makes me queasy. In fact, I’m outraged.
I’m going to try to explain as briefly as possible why I am so troubled by this performance. And I admit that I could be wrong. After all, I have no evidence that Chepngetich cheated, as she has never failed a doping test.
But I don’t think I’m wrong. And I don’t think this is a time to be quiet."
The thing is he is just talking out his ass and is making the position look kinda irrational and stupid.
Plenty of WR holders have been busted before, they don't get special treatment. If you really suspect her, bide your time and wait, maybe you'll be vindicated. But otherwise stop making fools of yourselves calling for gullitones because of your gut feelings
I am unclear why she is being maligned so much more than anyone else.
She broke the women's marathon record by several minutes despite coming in with an unspectacular prior running history that didn't indicate she could break that record, let alone by that much. That's why.
so what you're saying is: the American women are just not good enough to put on performances that raise eyebrows? (even though as I said Keira's progression was no less sus)
Yeah, she was also doping. Thanks for pointing that out. Did you not already know that?
The fact that Chepngetich was within 7% of the completely ridiculous Kiptum record is crazy. I just watched that finish again. He is all smiling and pointing and animated. Like he just finished his warm up. Not a marathon WR.
If you are living and training in Kenya you shouldn’t be allowed to compete internationally.
again, if they're all on drugs, why the fuss about it and singling out an athlete?
I remember watching Seidel win the bronze in Tokyo, she also didn't look tired at all. In fact she's yelling and screaming like she could've gone on. Exactly the" animation" you're talking about.
I don't think anyone is singling out an athlete, I think everyone is pretty clear it's the entire country. Event Kipchoge acknowledged this problem.
Regardless if you can't see why people are mad at the most clear case of doping of all time, then you obviously don't care about the integrity of the sport.
Also, you're comparing a bronze medalist, to someone who ran 13 minutes faster than her. Really?
Quite a nonsensical response. You are either trolling, or have no interest in the integrity of the sport.
"integrity of the sport?" what are you, eight? lol
they're paid to run. It's their job to run as fast and beat as many people as they can. Of course they're gonna take whatever it takes to get the best result. And I don't blame them for that, because I understand that, just as I understand a salesman wouldn't be truthful about their products out of "integrity"(so I would do my own research before purchasing).
This is such a "I stopped running 10 years ago but still get on letsrun" comment. Go find a hobby.
unspectacular like winning 2 world marathon majors being former half wr holder and missing out on former marathon world record by 15 seconds ? you total clown
again, if they're all on drugs, why the fuss about it and singling out an athlete?
I remember watching Seidel win the bronze in Tokyo, she also didn't look tired at all. In fact she's yelling and screaming like she could've gone on. Exactly the" animation" you're talking about.
I don't think anyone is singling out an athlete, I think everyone is pretty clear it's the entire country. Event Kipchoge acknowledged this problem.
Regardless if you can't see why people are mad at the most clear case of doping of all time, then you obviously don't care about the integrity of the sport.
Also, you're comparing a bronze medalist, to someone who ran 13 minutes faster than her. Really?
"integrity of the sport?" what are you, eight? lol
they're paid to run. It's their job to run as fast and beat as many people as they can. Of course they're gonna take whatever it takes to get the best result. And I don't blame them for that, because I understand that, just as I understand a salesman wouldn't be truthful about their products out of "integrity"(so I would do my own research before purchasing).
This is such a "I stopped running 10 years ago but still get on letsrun" comment. Go find a hobby.
I enjoy the sport and watching it, so of course I'm here. lol
Unlike some of you who clearly hate it but still can't get off this board.
unspectacular like winning 2 world marathon majors being former half wr holder and missing out on former marathon world record by 15 seconds ? you total clown
you let the facts get in the way of Letsrunner, how dare you?
I am unclear why she is being maligned so much more than anyone else.
She broke the women's marathon record by several minutes despite coming in with an unspectacular prior running history that didn't indicate she could break that record, let alone by that much. That's why.
1:57 to be exact, while that is a lot, it is not by several minutes. And going in she had the 4th fastest time ever for a woman, two wins and a second place at Chicago (behind Hassan's 2:13), and a world championship gold. So what planet are you from to say that these prior results were unspectacular. Please explain.
She broke the women's marathon record by several minutes despite coming in with an unspectacular prior running history that didn't indicate she could break that record, let alone by that much. That's why.
1:57 to be exact, while that is a lot, it is not by several minutes. And going in she had the 4th fastest time ever for a woman, two wins and a second place at Chicago (behind Hassan's 2:13), and a world championship gold. So what planet are you from to say that these prior results were unspectacular. Please explain.
I agree, she’d had a spectacular distance running career already. I hate when someone inaccurately describes an athlete as a “former nobody” after an unbelievable performance (a good example would be some posters saying Sedjati “came out of nowhere” this year). It reeks of someone who’s not actually following running closely at all, at least not foreign names like Chepng’etich or Djamel Sedjati.
That said…the fact that she was already one of the fastest half/marathoners in history doesn’t really make blowing her previous performances to smithereens more believable. I strongly suspect that she (and Sedjati, btw) are doping.
The Burfoot article wasn’t great. He absolutely should have leaned into the Rosa management aspect like another poster mentioned. The “I knew about Rosie Ruiz so trust me on this” line was especially tenuous. Generally, it was going to be difficult for a guy like Amby Burfoot to not come off a little like a bitter boomer who just had his old marathon PR (2:14:29) crushed by a woman, and he didn’t pass that test IMO. Respect to him for speaking his mind on the matter, though.
I agree, she’d had a spectacular distance running career already. I hate when someone inaccurately describes an athlete as a “former nobody” after an unbelievable performance (a good example would be some posters saying Sedjati “came out of nowhere” this year). It reeks of someone who’s not actually following running closely at all, at least not foreign names like Chepng’etich or Djamel Sedjati.
That said…the fact that she was already one of the fastest half/marathoners in history doesn’t really make blowing her previous performances to smithereens more believable. I strongly suspect that she (and Sedjati, btw) are doping.
The Burfoot article wasn’t great. He absolutely should have leaned into the Rosa management aspect like another poster mentioned. The “I knew about Rosie Ruiz so trust me on this” line was especially tenuous. Generally, it was going to be difficult for a guy like Amby Burfoot to not come off a little like a bitter boomer who just had his old marathon PR (2:14:29) crushed by a woman, and he didn’t pass that test IMO. Respect to him for speaking his mind on the matter, though.
When you look at Ambys credentials you'll see a guy with a progression that is out of this world. He had zero accomplishments in high school or college. Ran over 30 marathons averaging 2:31. Won the Boston marathon in 2:22, the year that nobody showed up. His 2:14 at Fukuoka ranks more unbelievable than if Chepngetich would have run 2:05. Amby, who works at Runner's World, and knows the definition of libel and defamation, has no evidence that Chepngetich is dirty, but he says it anyway.
Amby Burfoot, you owe Chepngetich a formal apology. You are a misogynist and a disgusting pig.