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L'innoculateur wrote:
the people's champ wrote:
You're delusional if you think that crowdless olympics helped Jakob in any way. He is not one of these super nervous runners. He is stoic on the starting line and the crowd's favourite after the finish line.
Before 2020 and Tokyo 2021 he was just an apprentice. Remember the day when people celebrated when he just improved his mile time while just sticking on Cheruiyot pace and getting a 5th place?
Are thinking of the Bowerman mile in 2018 when Jakob was SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD?
Do you have any Moroccans of the same caliber?
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objectiveobserver wrote:
Are thinking of the Bowerman mile in 2018 when Jakob was SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD?
Do you have any Moroccans of the same caliber?
We don't have enough youth aged 17 with 1.83 height.
Maybe it's that.
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Why would he care about the Americans this year? He races like 10 other guys who've run the same times as our guys in the 15 and 5 every year. The US is just arriving to the party.
As Brosnan would say, we in the US need to change our perception of what "fast" is. Just like "4:20 is not that fast", 3:50/3:32/13:00/27:00 isn't fast if we want to compete for medals.
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everyone is beatable.
Look at the Olympics.
However, he's the best until he's beaten.
Come back and whine about your crushes then
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It is a real journey, with myriad challenges along the way, for all the world's elite male 1500 runners to navigate from the here & now to the starting line of the 1500m final at the World's in Budapest this summer. Can Nuguse make it there?
Let's enjoy the ride, and see who is good (and smart) enough to toe that line. I'd love to see Jakob, Nuguse, Cheruiyot, Wightman, Ollie Hoare, Katir and the rest of the usual suspects there. It would be great to see Hocker return to form and get there too, of course. I'm sure Nuguse and Ritz understand the challenges. Ritz has emerged as quite a clever coach!
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LarsL11 wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
Jakob is the best, and I love that he’s willing to just come out and say it. None of this false modesty bs. He has no qualms putting pressure on himself and making sure the target is squarely on his back, and that’s the mark of a champion’s champion.
This is what is almost a big culture shock for me as a Norwegian. How is an olympic champion, a world champion, world indoor record holder etc saying he is the best so problematic for people. If he can't say it no-one can. It is so hard to understand what is seen as right or wrong, in my eyes saying that f.ex Nuguse is better than Jacob is worse as he don't have anything to back it up (yet).
Since the question was about US runners, I assume it was primarily in reference to Nuguse in the 1500, as that is the one that has people asking the question.
If JI said "I am still better than any US runner", fine. If he said "I will prove I am the best" 1500 runner, fine. If Faith Kipyegon were asked about it and said "I am still the best" 1500 female runner, fine.
But JI saying that he is "still the best" 1500 runner is like France claiming to be "still the best" football team. We have global championships for a reason. He lost the last one. He doesn't get to claim to be "still the best" until he wins another.
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Things are a bit different when you put on the big boy pants and run at real meets.
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Primate1 wrote:
LarsL11 wrote:
This is what is almost a big culture shock for me as a Norwegian. How is an olympic champion, a world champion, world indoor record holder etc saying he is the best so problematic for people. If he can't say it no-one can. It is so hard to understand what is seen as right or wrong, in my eyes saying that f.ex Nuguse is better than Jacob is worse as he don't have anything to back it up (yet).
Since the question was about US runners, I assume it was primarily in reference to Nuguse in the 1500, as that is the one that has people asking the question.
If JI said "I am still better than any US runner", fine. If he said "I will prove I am the best" 1500 runner, fine. If Faith Kipyegon were asked about it and said "I am still the best" 1500 female runner, fine.
But JI saying that he is "still the best" 1500 runner is like France claiming to be "still the best" football team. We have global championships for a reason. He lost the last one. He doesn't get to claim to be "still the best" until he wins another.
This isn't football. We don't have records in football. By your logic, you are saying if (I'm not saying he will, I don't think he will) he takes the world record in 1500 he is still not the best 1500 runner because he got outkicked by Wightman? Do you really believe this yourself, or did you forget to think this through?
This could just as likely have been about any other runner. The world of athletics doesn't work this way. Wightman is not "the best" 1500m runner if Nuguse lays down a 3:25:xx (or whatever).59 -
L'innoculateur wrote:
Jakob raised in the COVID era ... extremely fewer meetings, African can't do displacements to do meetings, encounters ...
An Olympic Games session without public.
Thing are changing and Liévin showed the new order that is going, World Cross Country Championship is on the door.
Those that were favorized by a short period will be no more favorized.
Although there were many down votes for the quoted post above, I agree that competition in the early COVID era was watered down a little. COVID had a disproportionate impact on training and competition for Kenyan and Ethiopian runners, especially those who had not yet made their name. I would expect competition over the next years to be stiffer.
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moorest wrote:
L'innoculateur wrote:
Jakob raised in the COVID era ... extremely fewer meetings, African can't do displacements to do meetings, encounters ...
An Olympic Games session without public.
Thing are changing and Liévin showed the new order that is going, World Cross Country Championship is on the door.
Those that were favorized by a short period will be no more favorized.
Although there were many down votes for the quoted post above, I agree that competition in the early COVID era was watered down a little. COVID had a disproportionate impact on training and competition for Kenyan and Ethiopian runners, especially those who had not yet made their name. I would expect competition over the next years to be stiffer.
Yes, but lets not exaggerate this either. One look at the worlds best 1500m times all time suggest that its not like Jakob is a particularly weak runner to say the least. Of the active athletes only Cheruiyot has a better PR, but it might be true that we would have had a better 2022 season without covid.
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***Geoff Capes*** wrote:
showsomerespect wrote:
sad that he made an open-minded question about himself. Could have simply acknowledged the current wave in the US. Lots of good energy, arguably new faces showing up at unprecedented levels, seems pretty good for the sport imho.
LOL...
Get over yourself, most of the world doesn't care about Grant Fisher's Bowerman time trials, once he's actually raced well come back to us.
Nguse, on the other hand, is interesting, he's actually shown he can run fast and race.
Oh that's right, like when he raced at the Olympics.....wait a minute
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Jakob is 22 and has Olympic gold, WC gold, WC silver, Indoor WC silver, the indoor 1500 WR, 9 DL wins, etc.
Obviously, Nuguse, Teare, Hocker and any other American you'd like to lump in as one of the mentioned "up and comers" has nowhere near those credentials yet, despite that all are older (except Hocker, 1 yr younger).Additionally, in all of Jakob's racing, he's only ever raced any of those guys twice:
- 2021 Oly final v Hocker (Jakob won in 3:28 to 3:31)
- 2018 World U20s v Teare (Jakob 2nd in 3:41, Teare 12th in 3:46)Also, none of those Americans has ever been ranked higher than Hocker's 10th in the 1500 world rankings in 2021 (Nuguse currently 16, J Thompson- 18, Hocker- 33, Teare- 82).
This crop of young Americans is super exciting, and I hope they make that next step. But, at this point, when an American asks the world's best runner what he thinks of a few Americans running fast in America, what else is he going to say? These guys are not yet his competition.
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I don't care about LRC downvote because I know "who is here".
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WHAT?????? wrote:
***Geoff Capes*** wrote:
LOL...
Get over yourself, most of the world doesn't care about Grant Fisher's Bowerman time trials, once he's actually raced well come back to us.
Nguse, on the other hand, is interesting, he's actually shown he can run fast and race.
Oh that's right, like when he raced at the Olympics.....wait a minute
Interesting question, what would you give Fisher out of 10 for the Olympics? Pretty poor 5000, decent 10000 IMO… but decent isn’t enough to worry Jakob.
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moorest wrote:
L'innoculateur wrote:
Jakob raised in the COVID era ... extremely fewer meetings, African can't do displacements to do meetings, encounters ...
An Olympic Games session without public.
Thing are changing and Liévin showed the new order that is going, World Cross Country Championship is on the door.
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Although there were many down votes for the quoted post above, I agree that competition in the early COVID era was watered down a little. COVID had a disproportionate impact on training and competition for Kenyan and Ethiopian runners, especially those who had not yet made their name. I would expect competition over the next years to be stiffer.
How exactly did covid have a disproportionate impact on training for Kenyans and Ethiopians? People from those countries were able to train away as normal. Runners from Europe and America on the other hand were not.
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LarsL11 wrote:
Primate1 wrote:
Since the question was about US runners, I assume it was primarily in reference to Nuguse in the 1500, as that is the one that has people asking the question.
If JI said "I am still better than any US runner", fine. If he said "I will prove I am the best" 1500 runner, fine. If Faith Kipyegon were asked about it and said "I am still the best" 1500 female runner, fine.
But JI saying that he is "still the best" 1500 runner is like France claiming to be "still the best" football team. We have global championships for a reason. He lost the last one. He doesn't get to claim to be "still the best" until he wins another.
This isn't football. We don't have records in football. By your logic, you are saying if (I'm not saying he will, I don't think he will) he takes the world record in 1500 he is still not the best 1500 runner because he got outkicked by Wightman? Do you really believe this yourself, or did you forget to think this through?
This could just as likely have been about any other runner. The world of athletics doesn't work this way. Wightman is not "the best" 1500m runner if Nuguse lays down a 3:25:xx (or whatever).
Yes, I thought it through. Track has records, but Jakob didn't set any significant one, so it is not relevant. I never said Wightman is the best, nor did I say that whoever wins the world championship is automatically the best. I simply said that Jakob cannot claim to "still be the best" after losing the most important 1500 race of the last season. I don't think it is clear who is the best, but people who finish second don't get to claim it. Otherwise, why have a global championship at all? People can just do time trials and send in the results.
Jakob won the Olympic 1500 because it played to his strengths. He lost the WC because it didn't. It remains unclear if he is the best 1500 runner, or just the best in certain kinds of 1500 races and therefore vulnerable to being outkicked if the race doesn't play out how he wants it to. I think this uncertainty and how the various players tactically approach it is what will make the 1500 in Budapest one of the most interesting races to watch.
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Primate1 wrote:
LarsL11 wrote:
This isn't football. We don't have records in football. By your logic, you are saying if (I'm not saying he will, I don't think he will) he takes the world record in 1500 he is still not the best 1500 runner because he got outkicked by Wightman? Do you really believe this yourself, or did you forget to think this through?
This could just as likely have been about any other runner. The world of athletics doesn't work this way. Wightman is not "the best" 1500m runner if Nuguse lays down a 3:25:xx (or whatever).
Yes, I thought it through. Track has records, but Jakob didn't set any significant one, so it is not relevant. I never said Wightman is the best, nor did I say that whoever wins the world championship is automatically the best. I simply said that Jakob cannot claim to "still be the best" after losing the most important 1500 race of the last season. I don't think it is clear who is the best, but people who finish second don't get to claim it. Otherwise, why have a global championship at all? People can just do time trials and send in the results.
Jakob won the Olympic 1500 because it played to his strengths. He lost the WC because it didn't. It remains unclear if he is the best 1500 runner, or just the best in certain kinds of 1500 races and therefore vulnerable to being outkicked if the race doesn't play out how he wants it to. I think this uncertainty and how the various players tactically approach it is what will make the 1500 in Budapest one of the most interesting races to watch.
So was El G not the best miler in the world in 2000?
Why not just come out and say you think Wightman was the best last season? It can’t be anyone other than him or Ingebrigtsen. Jake won the world final, Jakob won everything else. Pick one.81 -
ok pal wrote:
So was El G not the best miler in the world in 2000?
Why not just come out and say you think Wightman was the best last season? It can’t be anyone other than him or Ingebrigtsen. Jake won the world final, Jakob won everything else. Pick one.
El G may have been the best Miler that year, but he wasn't the best on September 29th, 2000
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Jesus, this inebrigstein guy looks like a skeleton with an oversized head plopped on top. That is just really disgusting. Does he eat anything? ever?
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