from not even the best distance runner in the US to world-class in a year.
not sus at all...
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He's been on track to be world class since high school.
He won 2 Footlocker national titles, went sub 4 back when sub 4 was difficult, then was a 12 time NCAA All American including one win, 4x 2nd place, and a 3rd at NCAA Champs. In the last two years he's been 2nd at the US Champs 3x with one win. And of course the 5th at the Olympics and 4th at World Champs.
With all that, I would be more surprised if he was not world class than him setting every US distance record from 3k-10k.
Can't blame him for not going out at suicide pace with the leaders and pacers
More confirmation that he is world class and hopefully the confidence boost to go for the win in the future
Some of you overestimate the impact of spikes, they don't give you 3 seconds a mile.
100th fastest 5,000m in the world 2021 - 13:22.16 (13:21.9 in '22, probably ends 1 sec faster)
100th fastest 5,000m in the world 2015-2019 average - 13:26.59
Difference of about 4.5 seconds over a 5,000m feels about right. Not even factoring in addition of wavelight + proliferation of time trial races the last few years. 2-3 seconds over 3,000m sounds about correct.
Harder qualification times for championships can also be the reason for improvement. Im not convinced that the spikes have a very big effect on this. For road races it's a clear difference in times post carbon shoes, but not so much for track
Right. And you should have been around in 68 for the Puma “ brush shoe controversy. Also. These shoes are probably a non factor. Todays thinclads train smarter and harder. New track surfaces are also big factor.
Harder qualification times for championships can also be the reason for improvement. Im not convinced that the spikes have a very big effect on this. For road races it's a clear difference in times post carbon shoes, but not so much for track
Totally agree, I think they make a slight difference but nowhere near the amount some think. Data from the roads seem to indicate ~3 second a mile improvement and those things feel like trampolines compared to the old shoes. The spikes are more comfortable, but there is no noticeable difference otherwise when running.
Whatever the case, I think we'll look back on 2022 as one hell of a year for Fisher. The iron is hot, so he should keep on striking. Hopefully he dips sub 12:50 in the 5,000.
I saw him as a high school junior win a Dream Mile in NYC in low 4-min range (back, i think, when he was as much focused on soccer as running) and I thought, "Holy sh*t, this kid has amazing potential."
It's great to see that coming true. I kind of expected he'd have dominated the college ranks a bit more en route to where he is now, but he did certainly have a very successful career.
I feel like he hasn't taken that final step in his abilities, too. Like, he can hang with the best and has been remarkably reliable. But I think he could reach that next level where he could hang with the best...and then out kick them, at least sometimes, to win some golds. I hope I'm right, but if I'm wrong, we'll still need to look back on 2021 and 2022 as one of the best years ever for a U.S. distance runner
"feels" and "sounds" are not helping your case. The spikes are significantly faster. The extreme stiffness and conservation of energy is totally new and backed by scientific testing.
Also not included is more drug testing and biopassport, where there were no EPO tests and no hematocrit limit when Komen, El G, Bekele etc were setting records.
Cheptegei shattered Bekele's records as soon as the new spikes came out, and could not have been as doped.
Over almost 2 miles, 5 seconds is reasonable, but every athlete responds differently. Also they get to train in the the new flats and spikes, which helps too.
"feels" and "sounds" are not helping your case. The spikes are significantly faster. The extreme stiffness and conservation of energy is totally new and backed by scientific testing.
Also not included is more drug testing and biopassport, where there were no EPO tests and no hematocrit limit when Komen, El G, Bekele etc were setting records.
Cheptegei shattered Bekele's records as soon as the new spikes came out, and could not have been as doped.
Over almost 2 miles, 5 seconds is reasonable, but every athlete responds differently. Also they get to train in the the new flats and spikes, which helps too.
Ironic since I literally responded with data to back up my argument and you are just pulling numbers out of the air. In what world did you derive 5 seconds? Please back this up with any kind of data.
Can't blame him for not going out at suicide pace with the leaders and pacers
More confirmation that he is world class and hopefully the confidence boost to go for the win in the future
Some of you overestimate the impact of spikes, they don't give you 3 seconds a mile.
100th fastest 5,000m in the world 2021 - 13:22.16 (13:21.9 in '22, probably ends 1 sec faster)
100th fastest 5,000m in the world 2015-2019 average - 13:26.59
Difference of about 4.5 seconds over a 5,000m feels about right. Not even factoring in addition of wavelight + proliferation of time trial races the last few years. 2-3 seconds over 3,000m sounds about correct.
But also drug testing is getting A LOT stronger. So the 100th fastest time got 5 seconds faster DESPITE athletes being significantly more clean and less doped up. Shoes probably make a 10 second difference over 5k.
Some of you overestimate the impact of spikes, they don't give you 3 seconds a mile.
100th fastest 5,000m in the world 2021 - 13:22.16 (13:21.9 in '22, probably ends 1 sec faster)
100th fastest 5,000m in the world 2015-2019 average - 13:26.59
Difference of about 4.5 seconds over a 5,000m feels about right. Not even factoring in addition of wavelight + proliferation of time trial races the last few years. 2-3 seconds over 3,000m sounds about correct.
But also drug testing is getting A LOT stronger. So the 100th fastest time got 5 seconds faster DESPITE athletes being significantly more clean and less doped up. Shoes probably make a 10 second difference over 5k.
Drug testing got a lot stronger in 2021 vs 2019? Did I miss something?
