All-time Top Ten USA Women's 10000m

These lists get worse and worse

Lynn from NH wrote:

These lists get worse and worse

And a time machine would catch Flo Jo with the juice. Seriously take her off the list.

No Gwen Jorgensen, Alana Hadley?

Lynn from NH wrote:

These lists get worse and worse

I agree, the women's 10k isnt historically the strongest event for the usa, but womens steeple is coming up and some strong field events so the lists should be getting better again.

2:18 wrote:

Lynn from NH wrote:

These lists get worse and worse

And a time machine would catch Flo Jo with the juice. Seriously take her off the list.

Juice or no juice, Flo Jo is the best woman 100m and 200m runner in history.

zzzzz wrote:

No Gwen Jorgensen, Alana Hadley?

No, they are not one of the top 10 10k runners in American history.

But would be banned from the 2020 games

How is Mark Nenow not in your top three for 1000mand the same for rick wohlhuter in the 800m?

2:18 wrote:

But would be banned from the 2020 games

No, she'd avoid being tested positive (just like before), either by getting off the juice or using today's mix, and still dominate. This team is being picked assuming its a level playing field, everyone could be on the juice like the 80s, or everyone could be on the current mix of substances today. In either case, Flo-Jo makes the team.

Sand Dunes wrote:

How is Mark Nenow not in your top three for 1000mand the same for rick wohlhuter in the 800m?

Rupp, Meb, and Abdi at their peaks would beat Nenow. Please refer to the men's 10000m thread.

Symmonds is a safer bet than Wohlhuter in the 800m. I'm not certain he'd beat Wohlhuter one on one every time they raced (I THINK he would win more often than not, but I might not bet on it). However, I would also be more comfortable with Symmonds on the team as I have less than 100% faith that Wohlhuter could give me a 1:42 in a championship race. Symmonds would have been world champ and AR holder if he competed at same time as Wohlhuter.

formerbosox9yo wrote:

Sand Dunes wrote:

How is Mark Nenow not in your top three for 1000mand the same for rick wohlhuter in the 800m?

Rupp, Meb, and Abdi at their peaks would beat Nenow. Please refer to the men's 10000m thread.

Symmonds is a safer bet than Wohlhuter in the 800m. I'm not certain he'd beat Wohlhuter one on one every time they raced (I THINK he would win more often than not, but I might not bet on it). However, I would also be more comfortable with Symmonds on the team as I have less than 100% faith that Wohlhuter could give me a 1:42 in a championship race. Symmonds would have been world champ and AR holder if he competed at same time as Wohlhuter.

Nenow's problem was that he wasn't good at peaking. If he had a half decent coach to help him out with workouts and peak for races he would've done a lot better at championship races. On Wohlhuter, he has a bronze what does Symmonds have?

Symmonds has a silver. If Symmonds raced when Wohlhuter did, Wohlhuter wouldn't have anything. You have to consider the competition. Medals alone are not everything. What matters is who would most likely win between the two, and Wohlhuter's bronze medal does not change the fact that he'd lose to Symmonds.

Here's your list. Jennings won an Oly Bronze and ran 31:19. Infeld should bumped up a bit based on the WC medal.

1. Shalane Flanagan

2. Molly Huddle

3. Deena Kastor

4. Kara Goucher

5. Lynn Jennings

6. Emily Infeld

7. Amy Cragg

8. Lisa Uhl

9. Jennifer Rhines

10. Katie McGregor

10. Elva Dryer

formerbosox9yo wrote:

Sand Dunes wrote:

Nenow's problem was that he wasn't good at peaking. If he had a half decent coach to help him out with workouts and peak for races he would've done a lot better at championship races. On Wohlhuter, he has a bronze what does Symmonds have?

Symmonds has a silver. If Symmonds raced when Wohlhuter did, Wohlhuter wouldn't have anything. You have to consider the competition. Medals alone are not everything. What matters is who would most likely win between the two, and Wohlhuter's bronze medal does not change the fact that he'd lose to Symmonds.

LMAO, the fastest runner doesn't always win the gold. I f that was true Wilson Kipketer would have some Gold medals. I guarantee it that with more modern day training approaches Wohlhuter would beat Symmonds PR or if we made a time machine to have prime Wolhuter to run in the final in 2012 that he would've beat Symmonds.

let's get real wrote:

Here's your list. Jennings won an Oly Bronze and ran 31:19. Infeld should bumped up a bit based on the WC medal.

1. Shalane Flanagan

2. Molly Huddle

3. Deena Kastor

4. Kara Goucher

5. Lynn Jennings

6. Emily Infeld

7. Amy Cragg

8. Lisa Uhl

9. Jennifer Rhines

10. Katie McGregor

10. Elva Dryer

No. Uhl, Cragg etc will beat Infeld more often than not head to head. I'm not giving unecessary too much credit to one medal because that was as much about how Infeld's competition did that day than how Infeld did that day. Remember, this is an ELITE list, and you have to do more than just compile medals to move up to it. Everything is taken into account, including HEART. Infield should be proud for her well deserved spot in the VERY elite top 10. Jennings, like Solinsky, is a bit of a 1-2 hit wonder on the 10k on the track. I'm not considering road 10ks because this is TRACK. She'd definitely be close to the top 10, but I'm sticking with a top 10 that proves their dedication and mastery of the distance. I can't have inexperienced track 10k runners representing our All time team USA.

Sand Dunes wrote:

formerbosox9yo wrote:

Symmonds has a silver. If Symmonds raced when Wohlhuter did, Wohlhuter wouldn't have anything. You have to consider the competition. Medals alone are not everything. What matters is who would most likely win between the two, and Wohlhuter's bronze medal does not change the fact that he'd lose to Symmonds.

LMAO, the fastest runner doesn't always win the gold. If that was true Wilson Kipketer would have some Gold medals. I guarantee it that with more modern day training approaches Wohlhuter would beat Symmonds PR or if we made a time machine to have prime Wolhuter to run in the final in 2012 that he would've beat Symmonds.

Are you saying you'd take Wohlhuter over Kipketer as well? The amount of olympics some guys run in is just way too small of a sample size to over-weigh. Plus our time machine isn't limited to only take guys from previous olympic years. It's from any year. I'd be taking Kipketer from his WR, world championship shape. If they ran the 90s olympics over again, Kipketer would still be odds on favorite no matter what happened the first time. You also can't guarantee Wohlhuter runs 1:42 today. No one can. He may not even be able to handle modern training and modern day life. It's very possible that he had the best training for himself than he would have ever had. I can't "guarantee" anything better than that. Maybe he wouldn't even be a runner today. Or maybe he'd just be a continually injured runner. What I can guarantee is that Symmonds can run 1:42 and consistently run races that will put him in contention. I can't guarantee him beating Wohlhuter (no one can guarantee that, or vice versa) if I could time machine him to 2012 and they have a match race right there, but he has proven more than Wohlhuter. Symmonds beats Wohlhuter more times than not in the time machine face off, and so do a few others. If you refer to the 800m thread, Wohlhuter is the #6 all-time american 800m runner. (everett 4, murphy 5)

Do you not know the difference between a time trial vs a championship race?

Example:

And Lynns AR lasted ten years, she also won seven outdoor USA titles at 10k I believe

Hector2 wrote:

And Lynns AR lasted ten years, she also won seven outdoor USA titles at 10k I believe

Imagine how long Shalane's AR would last and how many titles she would of had if she ran then!