Is it in the final mile? With 2k left to go? I'm curious to know when other people start really hating life in the race while trying to hang on pace. I've only raced one 10k road race and have another coming up soon.
Is it in the final mile? With 2k left to go? I'm curious to know when other people start really hating life in the race while trying to hang on pace. I've only raced one 10k road race and have another coming up soon.
4 mile point,but if you push throw it you'll break on through to the other side. Remember it is better to burn out then to fade away.
If you race right then you should hit the wall at Mile 4. If you hit the wall at Mile 3 then you’ve gone out too fast. If you hit the wall at Mile 5 then you’ve gone out too slow
Agree with the last two answers, but more like halfway through mile 4. If you're "hating life" and it's really hurting already at the start of mile 4, you went out a tad fast and will likely be slowing down before it's over.
Depends how you attack race specific workouts during training.
Duration & intensity of my race specific workouts always have me digging deep about two thirds through; ideal practice for the race.
But then my race specific workouts are done to help me train my brain to know what race pace feels like - besides the physiological adaptations of training.
From the gun...
Seriously, they never feel good until done.
No good answer here. 10k is long enough that you can enter and exit rough patches. You can be hurting bad at 3 miles, hold the same pace, and suddenly feel better at 4. I think it's because so much of the 10k's pain is about the mismatch between how you feel and how you think you should feel. I always feel pretty darn good at 5 miles because that's when I realize that I'm going to get to kicking range with at least a little something left. At three miles, it's easy to start thinking that there's no way you can go twice as far again at the same pace, and that doubt has the effect of amplifying your pain.
In the 5k, by contrast, I don't think the expectations play as much of a role. The race is characterized by a steady buildup of oxygen debt that gets pretty serious by the end, but in the middle of a 5k, everyone should be feeling pretty darned good.
Exactly. I'm almost always feeling good in the last 400-800m of a 5k because at that point you can maybe start to speed up and get the timing right for your kick. And despite being the most tired in the last lap you can almost always run the last lap as your fastest. So really the pain is just in your head.
But in my best 10k I actually never really felt bad. I went through halfway right on target or maybe 5 seconds too slow, but suddenly I was able to speed up from 5:18-5:20 pace down to 5:10s quite easily and kept speeding up until the end. So of course it hurt the most in mile 5 and 6 but when you know you're running fast or on track to PR, the pain isn't so bad.
Thanks for the input. The one and only 10k i did i felt like i left alot of meat on the bone when i finished. Guess the more you do the more you'll learn.
10k newb wrote:
Thanks for the input. The one and only 10k i did i felt like i left alot of meat on the bone when i finished. Guess the more you do the more you'll learn.
Solinsky?
I can't find the exact study, but this study touches on the same concept as the study I previously read but can't find: we tend to reach our perceived effort at the same relative point in races of various distances (and that point,
According to the study that I cannot find, is at about 70% of the way through the race).
That's consistent with the 4 mile mark answers (which would've been my answer too), is consistent with the 2 mile mark or so for a 5k (again, my answer), and is at the 18.3 mile mark of a marathon (probably a little early since most people blow up closer to 20, but not by too much).
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-8986.2008.00712.x/full
I would say about the 4.25-4.50 mile mark. The key is in distances from 5 miles and up is patience. Of course you are feeling good and have more in the tank at 2 or 3 miles, but sprinting off at that point could easily result in bonking. I’ve made the mistake of feeling good and going early too many times. Like I’m at 3 or 3.5 miles, and increase the pace for a half mile or mile, and then really feel it in the last mile. The veterans just stroll by me at some point in mile 4 or 5 while I’m gasping for air.
By the end of the first ~50m
What is this now? Runner's World?
Nobody 'hits the wall' in a 10km.
How about doing a bit of research on physiology before making such a stupid comment?
800 dude wrote:
At three miles, it's easy to start thinking that there's no way you can go twice as far again at the same pace, and that doubt has the effect of amplifying your pain.
In the 5k, by contrast, I don't think the expectations play as much of a role. The race is characterized by a steady buildup of oxygen debt that gets pretty serious by the end, but in the middle of a 5k, everyone should be feeling pretty darned good.
I mostly agree with this. For me in XC, things got painful early (like mile 1) because we went out hard. Also I had an inefficient sride. It was more about keeping up with other people and trying to not get passed. Only thing keeping me going was seeing that everyone else was hurting too.
Biggest thing for me was after I got through the pain once, I knew I could do it again. I know that might not be the most helpful advice for your next 10k, but should help for your next next 10k.
Raced two 10ks on the track where I went out faster than I should have in an attempt to hang on to my training partners. Both times blew up and ran my last mile 10 seconds slower than my previous slowest mile of the races.
Cross country 10ks I have played more conservative and ratcheted it up. That being said I have felt really good at 4 miles and neg split more than I should be able to.
My intuition agrees with what posters have been saying above. When you hit the 5k you should be in some discomfort but know that you can squeeze through another 5k. Last 2400-3200 should be sucking balls though.
800 dude wrote:
In the 5k, by contrast, I don't think the expectations play as much of a role. The race is characterized by a steady buildup of oxygen debt that gets pretty serious by the end, but in the middle of a 5k, everyone should be feeling pretty darned good.
I find the 5k to be a completely different race than 10k (or even 5 miler). In the longer races, you can cruise among at a steady pace for 2/3 of the race without feeling too strained. I only feel comfortable cruising for the first 2k or 2.5k of the 5k, and then the last half is pretty rough. But because the 5k is so much shorter, I can feel the finish line through the last two miles and am able to gradually ratchet the down the pace for the last half of race, knowing that I’ll have something left.
Smoove wrote:
I can't find the exact study, but this study touches on the same concept as the study I previously read but can't find: we tend to reach our perceived effort at the same relative point in races of various distances (and that point,
According to the study that I cannot find, is at about 70% of the way through the race).
That's consistent with the 4 mile mark answers (which would've been my answer too), is consistent with the 2 mile mark or so for a 5k (again, my answer), and is at the 18.3 mile mark of a marathon (probably a little early since most people blow up closer to 20, but not by too much).
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-8986.2008.00712.x/full
Running is not a science and racing is to an even lesser degree.
Unfortunately, you are a slave to the watch and to charts and to formulas instead of really learning how to ride that fine edge.
While Smoove is not an elite runner, he has some very respectable racing times and achievements especially for his age. He also coaches others too. We all know running is not exclusively a science, he's just noting a study that was done to show a correlation between racing distance and when people begin to feel major effects from the race is all.
Preferable never! When running my PR I never felt any hurting discomfort.
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