How do I get rid of dead legs?

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6 years ago 07/25/2017 1:38pm EDT

Week nine into the Daniels 2Q 56-70mpw program. First time using it.Training has been tough but absent shaving a mile off a T or M run I've completed all the workouts so far. M pace has been within 5 seconds of target and T within 10 seconds. Today the wheels came off and I couldn't run one lap on the track at T pace whereas last week I ran 6 miles on the road at T. Maybe I'm sick or allergies or something but my legs are sore, tight and I can't run fast. But I've noticed the fatigue building the past few weeks and can't say I'm surprised.

So I feel like I have two options a) run easy for a week and hop back into the workouts in a week or b) quitting the 2Q program and trying something more progressive based like Hudson or McMillan where there isn't as much emphasis on the second workout and tempo/goal pace workouts progress more gradually.

Any advice appreciated, including whether this is normal for those who follow Daniels marathon programs.

Stats - 41, recent PRs of 18:39, 1:25, and 2:58 on close to 55-60 avg mpw.

6 years ago 07/25/2017 4:29pm EDT

re: 2quitter

6 years ago 07/25/2017 4:33pm EDT

re: 2quitter

It's called adjusting. If you're too fried to complete the workouts consistently, you're running too hard. If you can't run the times it says on your chart, adjust them or take an extra recovery day.

6 years ago 07/25/2017 4:34pm EDT

re: 2quitter

Feed them to you dog? How did you get rid of the rest of the body?

6 years ago 07/25/2017 4:46pm EDT

re: 2quitter

Stop running too fast.

6 years ago 07/26/2017 9:39am EDT

re: 2quitter

This is the best advice I've ever received and I'll share it with you. Think of recovery like you think of brushing your teeth. Once in the morning, once in the evening, and if you eat a sugary meal (i.e. a tough workout/long run) do it once more. This means rolling, stretching, and rehabbing minor dings. Train smart, not hard.

6 years ago 07/26/2017 9:43am EDT

re: Ocean?

Ocean? wrote:
Feed them to you dog? How did you get rid of the rest of the body?

HA this is so funny.

6 years ago 07/26/2017 9:49am EDT

re: The Dentist

The Dentist wrote:
This is the best advice I've ever received and I'll share it with you. Think of recovery like you think of brushing your teeth. Once in the morning, once in the evening, and if you eat a sugary meal (i.e. a tough workout/long run) do it once more. This means rolling, stretching, and rehabbing minor dings. Train smart, not hard.

Fair enough. My problem is that I tend to be a slave to my training program and prescribed paces and don't like to backoff or skip workouts.

6 years ago 07/26/2017 10:02am EDT

re: 2quitter

What if it's 98 degrees and/or the humidity is high? You still try to hit pace?

If so, that's foolish.

Get a HR monitor and start figuring out what paces align with certain HR's. On the days when the weather is nuts, run by HR NOT pace.

And from the HR you should know if something isn't right even on a perfect weather day. If the HR is super low and nothing you can do will get it to go up you are under-fueled and need to rest.

6 years ago 07/26/2017 10:40am EDT

re: Haddian

Amputate ASAP. Gangrene is no joke.

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