MIAC XC 2017

Carleton alum wrote:

Hey, if we're going way back, Carleton has a couple of alums who deserve mention.

Hal Higdon '53 is best known for writing about running, but he was fifth at the 1960 Olympic trials in the steeplechase, among other accomplishments. It was a different time for sure, but he did run a 2:21 marathon. Not exactly slow

Dale Kramer '78 was a two-time DIII XC champ and I think also twice in the 5k. He ran 13:55, which may still be second all-time DIII. Certainly the best collegiate runner of the bunch. I honestly don't know if he did anything post-college.

I actually think Kramer went 13:53

Big meet at Jim Drews. We have apocalyptic thunderstorms in Chicago area, but if they're lucky, it'll still be dry in LaCrosse when they start at 10:30.

Good one regarding Kramer, that should have been obvious. His held the all-time NCAA D3 record of 13:52.2 for just a year, when Wheaton's Dan Henderson ran 13:50 in 1978. That record still stands, with Ian Lamere's 13:56.8 from this year at #3.

He's in the D3 Hall of Fame along with Henderson, Julia Kirtland, Seamus McElligott, and of course Nick Symmonds, Joan Benoit Samuelson and Edwin Moses.

http://www.ustfccca.org/division-iii/ustfccca-division-iii-track-field-athlete-hall-of-fame-by-year

Also Debra (Debbie) Thometz of St. Thomas has the #4 10K on the all-time list of 33:50.32 from 1983. Interesting, Joan Benoit has the Bowdoin school record of 33:40, but is not on that list for some reason. Thometz ran a 2:36:20 in the TC Marathon in 1985. She ran 2:37:25 in 1983, which would have easily qualified her for the Olympic Trials, but for some reason she didn't run.

Leslie Seymour of St. Olaf has the #6 3000 time of 9:35.43 from 1983. She's listed as having run 8:51.34 in Rome in 1987, but I don't know if she ran any trials.

Taylor Berg of St. Thomas ran the #3 1500 time of 4:18.10 in 2013, but hasn't appeared to do anything post-collegiate.

Looks like Seymour did make the final of the World Indoor Championships and won Bronze at the Pan American games, but since she stuck with the 3000, did not do the trials.

http://www.all-athletics.com/en-us/athlete/282751

Results are in from LaCrosse! 😱😱

PLACE

1. Iowa Central CC

25

1 2 3 8 11 (15) (47)

2. Wis.-La Crosse

35

4 5 7 9 10 (14) (18)

3. St. Olaf

169

17 19 40 45 48 (52) (53)

4. Paradise Valley

188

12 20 37 54 65 (73) (128)

5. Nebraska Wesleyan

192

13 16 38 43 82 (96) (99)

6. Cornell College

215

25 26 27 32 105 (106) (112)

7. St. Thomas (Minn.)

220

22 36 49 56 57 (67) (71)

8. Minnesota Running Club

242

31 34 42 66 69 (113) (115)

9. Luther

262

44 50 51 58 59 (64) (80)

10. St. John's (Minn.)

263

23 28 61 74 77 (81) (83)

11. Central College

272

6 29 68 78 91 (97) (104)

12. Simpson (Iowa)

276

21 35 55 70 95 (98) (100)

13 Bethel (Minn.)

330

33 62 75 76 84 (88) (92)

14 Hamline

342

39 41 72 89 101 (125) (126)

15 Gustavus Adolphus

355

30 63 79 90 93 (94) (102)

16 Saint Mary's (Minn.)

439

24 85 103 109 118 (122) (148)

17 Macalester

457

60 86 87 108 116 (117) (121)

18 Wis.-River Falls

565

46 123 129 130 137 (142) (144)

19 Grinnell

609

107 111 114 138 139 (140) (146)

20 Augsburg

626

119 120 124 131 132 (147)

21 Bethany Lutheran

656

110 127 135 141 143 (145) (149)

22 Marquette Track Club

704

133 134 136 150 151

Top MIAC finishers

1. Thomas Lerdall (17) 25:46

2. Keith Ketola(19) 25:48

3. Karl Wachter (23) 23:53

4. Matthew Burgstahler (25) 25:54

5. Austin O'Hare (26) 25:57

6. Tremayne Collins (31) 26:05

7. Andrew Stumbo (34) 26:07

8. Ezekiel Lelinga (37) 26:09

9. George McGivern (40) 26:11

10. Frank Gustafson (43) 26:13

Notable Non-Racers:

Evan Hatton

Alex Berhe

Evan Hatton dropped out

Most teams improved some, though St. Olaf shows they could still be vulnerable to Carleton. Kirtley didn't run.

Mac didn't have #1 and #5 run, but still did not perform great. St. Thomas is now looking like a strong #3 over St. John's.

To preface, I'm not trying to put anyone on blast. That said, Jack Henschel is burned out, yes?

If so, that hurts the Oles. With Paul Timm seemingly being hurt all summer or just getting a late start, he is only now starting to slightly come around. I'm sure hopes are that he can be back to a 25-low guy that we all thought he would be after track by conference, but that doesn't seem too likely.

And with Jack Henschel starting out the season so well being a clear #1 for them and a favorite for the individual title, and now falling by the wayside becoming their #6 - 7 runner...this hurts them as a team.

On the plus side, Lerdall is really becoming a reliable runner for Olaf! Placing top 15 at both Eau Claire and now LAX, with both times being well under 26:00, he might be the saving grace for them. Same with Ketola. that duo could carry the Oles to a conference title as a team.

It is unfortunate for them as a team to have their athletes underperforming the way that they are, but it does make it very exciting for us as fans when conference rolls around! Who knows what will happen??

Just looking at the future of the MIAC on the team side. GAC's top 4 runners today at the Jim Drews Invitational were Freshman with Andrew Stumbo low 26. They had 5 freshman in the top 7. They will be good in the upcoming years. The MIACs freshman class is just in general very strong! Probably the best class we have had in a long time!

Anyone have carlington Oregon results¿

If Carleton doesn't win Conference...

Olaf is still the favorite if PT and Jack run well. That Oregon course is blazing fast. Lerdall and Ketola will beat the Carleton freshmen, and if Henschel is back with them and PT continues his improvement the trophy will stay on the west side of Northfield.

6 in a row wrote:

Olaf is still the favorite if PT and Jack run well. That Oregon course is blazing fast. Lerdall and Ketola will beat the Carleton freshmen, and if Henschel is back with them and PT continues his improvement the trophy will stay on the west side of Northfield.

Have you raced the L&C course? Hornor went 25:06 there. Huderle and Barry, 25:20 & 25:37, respectively. All three of those guys that year were faster than Lerdall or Keitola are this year. Hoerger 25:52 was their number 4 and both Dodge and Meikle eclipsed that. Those two are both on the upswing, I may add.

Thanks for your input carl

Looking at the times Carleton ran in Portland and then at Conference in 2014 shows that it is indeed a fairly fast course.

Horner had a poor showing at Conference, but Guthrie Cunningham, who didn't run at Portland, stepped up for 26th in 26:33 and they got 2nd behind St. Olaf.

Portland time, Conf time, place:

Hart Horner 25:07 26:36 27th

Marcus Huderle 25:20 25:40 5th

Jonah Barry 25:37 25:42 7th

Jacob Hoerger 25:52 26:12 18th

Ben Bithbroe 26:18 27:09 40th

Still, with #5 runner Meikle running 25:45, even if all five ran on average 20 seconds slower at Conference, they'd still have an advantage over St. Olaf. At this point they deserve a higher ranking, though of course if they don't have such a perfect performance in two weeks, there's not a ton of room for error, as there's more of a drop between Carleton's #5-6.

Fastnbulbous wrote:

Looking at the times Carleton ran in Portland and then at Conference in 2014 shows that it is indeed a fairly fast course.

Horner had a poor showing at Conference, but Guthrie Cunningham, who didn't run at Portland, stepped up for 26th in 26:33 and they got 2nd behind St. Olaf.

Portland time, Conf time, place:

Hart Horner 25:07 26:36 27th

Marcus Huderle 25:20 25:40 5th

Jonah Barry 25:37 25:42 7th

Jacob Hoerger 25:52 26:12 18th

Ben Bithbroe 26:18 27:09 40th

Still, with #5 runner Meikle running 25:45, even if all five ran on average 20 seconds slower at Conference, they'd still have an advantage over St. Olaf. At this point they deserve a higher ranking, though of course if they don't have such a perfect performance in two weeks, there's not a ton of room for error, as there's more of a drop between Carleton's #5-6.

I agree. Carleton has the best low stick #1, and a better top 5 than the rest of the conference. That said, their #6 is pretty far back from their top 5. If just one person has a bad day (Tris Dodge is, unfortunately, the favorite here), then Olaf takes it with sheer depth.

That said. I'm pulling for Carleton. It was one thing for Olaf to be douchey when they had like 6 All-Americans on their team. But now they may not even make nationals and they still act like they are a top 5 team in the nation.

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