Good genetics untrained vs bad genetic trained

A mentally unstable person with cushing syndrome vs the high school prom king?

Is that what you are asking?

lol Of course.

Saltybakedpotato wrote:the worst running genes in the world

There are 7.5 billion people in the world. You must lack imagination, because the dude with the worst running genetics out of all of them isn't going to break 10 in the mile, even with tons of training, whereas the person with the best genetics, even untrained, will run a 4:30 mile.

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

everyone should wrote:

There are 7.5 billion people in the world. You must lack imagination, because the dude with the worst running genetics out of all of them isn't going to break 10 in the mile, even with tons of training, whereas the person with the best genetics, even untrained, will run a 4:30 mile.

There is no such thing as best and worst running genes. Slow runners do not get genetically tested. Fast runners do not get genetically tested.

Saying someone will run a 4:30 mile untrained with the best genetics is a completely made up statement. Where is this person? When did they publish their genetic makeup? Which genes are they? Etc, etc.

Depends on the best-genes dude's weight.

Meb ran a 5:10 mile when in junior high untrained, he wasn't even a good miler. Let's says someone with mile specific good genes was to run an all out mile, i bet they could go sub 5.

werd wrote:

everyone should wrote:

There are 7.5 billion people in the world. You must lack imagination, because the dude with the worst running genetics out of all of them isn't going to break 10 in the mile, even with tons of training, whereas the person with the best genetics, even untrained, will run a 4:30 mile.

There is no such thing as best and worst running genes. Slow runners do not get genetically tested. Fast runners do not get genetically tested.

Saying someone will run a 4:30 mile untrained with the best genetics is a completely made up statement. Where is this person? When did they publish their genetic makeup? Which genes are they? Etc, etc.

You just keep telling yourself that. Moran

weight matters wrote:

Depends on the best-genes dude's weight.

He has the best genes. He won't be heavy.

werd wrote:

everyone should wrote:

There are 7.5 billion people in the world. You must lack imagination, because the dude with the worst running genetics out of all of them isn't going to break 10 in the mile, even with tons of training, whereas the person with the best genetics, even untrained, will run a 4:30 mile.

There is no such thing as best and worst running genes. Slow runners do not get genetically tested. Fast runners do not get genetically tested.

Saying someone will run a 4:30 mile untrained with the best genetics is a completely made up statement. Where is this person? When did they publish their genetic makeup? Which genes are they? Etc, etc.

Back when I was in HS, early 2000s, there were twins that just skateboarded and didn't do any sports. Anyways, they had to do the mile in PE and they both ran 4:40s or something nuts. Obviously the PE teacher got them into XC. This was in socal, I can't remember their names—the Estrada twins? I was a freshman @ the time, but I remember seeing them go 1-2 @ mt. sac (they were seniors, I was a freshman)

On the flip side, I've been around people who train and train and train and train and train some more, and are so impossibly slow its insane. Don't get me wrong, I'm usually the one saying that people aren't tied down by genetics as much as they think, but there are some seriously untalented people in the world.

I guarantee you there is an untrained, talented non-runner that can run 4:39 today.

I also guarantee you there is an extremely heavily trained, untalented runner that can't break 9 in the mile. But maybe, after a few more years of training, he can break 8:25.

The talented runner wins in this case, for the sole fact that there are some extremely slow, untalented people on this planet.

White sprinters would need to work a hell of a lot harder than black ones. Running fast is a real job for them, not so with western African roots sprinters, it comes natural to them.

yous wrong son wrote:

werd wrote:

Which genes are they? Etc, etc.

Back when I was in HS, early 2000s, there were twins that just skateboarded and didn't do any sports. Anyways, they had to do the mile in PE and they both ran 4:40s or something nuts.

Cool story but which genes? Identical twins tend to do the same exact things as they grow up, and that unlike genes is an identifiable factor in their turning out similar at running.

Overall counterexample to your story is the twins that run this website, one of them fast, one of them slow. Well both slow now, but one used to be fast.

A lot of sprint brothers.

If we can just get Mo Farah's identical twin in a 5k, this debate would be settled once and for all.

Claudio Irving wrote:

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

I wish Congress would live by that motto 😄

Claudio Irving wrote:

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

Only when the hard worker is almost as talented. Not in this case.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Cool story but which genes? Identical twins tend to do the same exact things as they grow up, and that unlike genes is an identifiable factor in their turning out similar at running.

Overall counterexample to your story is the twins that run this website, one of them fast, one of them slow. Well both slow now, but one used to be fast.

You are only addressing 5% of what I said, and hardcore over thinking that 5%.

So how does this one work: a friend and I were both extremely active growing up, and did the same sports, along with biking, skateboarding, etc. We're pretty equal in everything, even he's a little better at cycling, yet when we both did 4 years of XC, I ran a 15:50 5k and he couldn't break 19. Thats not even a little bit different, but insanely different.

It is extremely rare for 2 twins who run to be evenly matched in a race.

Most of the time one twin is significantly faster.

Just because you change your physiology doesn't mean everyone is born with the same baseline. If we can be born with different hair color we can be born with different VO2max or muscle fiber compositions. These people claiming running talent doesn't exist are funny.