DESPERATE for 800m training plan or coach???

I don't know why I put "???" At the end of the tittle

jack daniels

I hope somebody gives you genuine help here. You have real talent. In the meantime, what was the prior training plan you followed?

I've just been doing basic stuff I read online. Not a solid program . I would say it's kind of like jack Daniels type training. I just kinda run mileage off feel. Could be 45 miles could be 55.. just depends and I just do basic quality days. Workouts that you can find online or throughout let's run.

Ex week (if I'm doing quality days instead of just base runs)

M- 35-40 mins off feel

T- 7 min wu/ 8-10 400@73/ cd off feel

W-tempo

Th-easy run off feel

F-easy 20 mins/strides/ 15-20 mins

S-off or east

Su- longish run

It's not awful training but i feel like I would be a lot better with a solid plan instead of me coming up with it with little knowledge.

Justan800runner wrote:

I've just been doing basic stuff I read online. Not a solid program . I would say it's kind of like jack Daniels type training. I just kinda run mileage off feel. Could be 45 miles could be 55.. just depends and I just do basic quality days. Workouts that you can find online or throughout let's run.

Ex week (if I'm doing quality days instead of just base runs)

M- 35-40 mins off feel

T- 7 min wu/ 8-10 400@73/ cd off feel

W-tempo

Th-easy run off feel

F-easy 20 mins/strides/ 15-20 mins

S-off or east

Su- longish run

It's not awful training but i feel like I would be a lot better with a solid plan instead of me coming up with it with little knowledge.

Try doing some speed work for a start.

When is the soonest when you'll run 800 again?

Either race or trial.

jack daniels

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Just get the Daniels book and follow it. It's clear and well structured.

It sounds like ukathleticscoach was onto something regarding speedwork. The other replies mentioning JD could be regurgitated for any distance. The 800 chapter in JD leaves a lot to be desired - and it bears reminder that his is just one method. I think OP was looking for some specifics.

tester of tests wrote:

It sounds like ukathleticscoach was onto something regarding speedwork. The other replies mentioning JD could be regurgitated for any distance. The 800 chapter in JD leaves a lot to be desired - and it bears reminder that his is just one method. I think OP was looking for some specifics.

For a HS kid with no distance coach, Daniels is a solid program that will get him 90% of what he needs with very little risk of stupid mistakes. Definitely will get him to 1:55. Advice from let's run is almost guaranteed to cause more harm than good because he'll be getting a mish-mash. Obviously, having a coach would be great, but he doesn't have that. Daniels is the next best thing.

Fair enough, but on viewing the OP's approximate program now, I must say that what ukathleticscoach said rings true. OP doesn't appear to be doing anything faster than a 73 per 400 (or 36.5/200; etc) speed - the strides part is fairly nonspecific with respect to speed. At the very least, one could suggest doing fast 150s with up to full rest, and perhaps even shorter work for maximum speed development. I'm not a coach, so I don't want to formally advise anything specific, but the lack of speedwork seems to be a glaring weakness in what he's doing currently.

Thanks guys.. I'll look into jack Daniels program . I'll work on more speed as well.uhm sorry for causing a ruckus .

General example of base phase. Can modify it to find rhythm and mileage what works best for you. You have plenty of speed already to get to 1.55 or much faster but you lack endurance, although your 5k shows that you have some natural endurance, so you will benefit training frequently at multiple intensities and decent mileage. Once base phase is over cut the volume a bit and add aerobic and anaerobic power workouts and/or race yourself fit, racing at various distances. Maintain the sessions of base phase, just do less, can do more combo workouts if racing weekly or so.

WEEK 1

M Rest / easy run / cross training

Tue Drills + ~50-150m sprints (can use hills/mixed) /~2-5´rec, circuits/weights. Easy run

W Progression run / LT workout / Tempo workout. Easy run

Thu Medium long run / doubles

F Easy run (circuits/weights)

Sat 800m-1600m workout, can use hills. No longer than 200m / ~30s @ 800m or 300m / ~45s @ mile pace/effort. Jog rec (1:3/1:2). Can include LT work. Easy run

Sun Long run

WEEK(s) 2 (+3)

M Rest / easy run / cross training

Tue Drills, ~50-150m sprints (can use hills/mixed) /~2-5´rec, circuits/weights. Easy run

W Progression run / LT workout / Tempo workout. Easy run

Thu Medium long run / doubles

F Easy run (circuits/weights)

Sat 10k-3k workout + ~5x200 @ 800-mile pace. Can include LT work. Easy run

Sun Long run

Every 3-4th week mileage around ~70-75% of normal, include rest day(s).

Increase the mileage/intensity after ~6-8 weeks and stay there ~6-8 weeks until possibly increasing again.

Justan800runner wrote:

Thanks guys.. I'll look into jack Daniels program . I'll work on more speed as well.uhm sorry for causing a ruckus .

No ruckus, just honest disagreement.

I think you'll find that when you map out the Daniels program based on the number of weeks you have until the season, then add in the fact that you'll be racing 4x4, 4, and/or 8 weekly during the season, you'll be getting plenty of race-specific work in. A bigger danger than not doing enough would be hammering 300s in January.

Thanks U.N.O. For the specifics! And thanks to everyone for your input

The soonest I will run an 800 is probably march unless I do an indoor meet in January