if lower altitude means faster times, why are all world records not strategically set in death valley??

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I have also wondered this before.

there should be a track in death valley. el geurrouj probably could have ran UNDER 340 for the mile if he ran there in march when its not too hot.

also webb could probably shave another 10 seconds off his 346 mile if he would have ran it in death valley.

fyi- I am NOT being sarcastic.

Because its 100-120 degrees Fahrenheit in Death Valley. Find a place below sea level with no win, zero humidity, and temps around 60 degrees.

Dreams to Reality wrote:

Because its 100-120 degrees Fahrenheit in Death Valley. Find a place below sea level with no win, zero humidity, and temps around 60 degrees.

only in the summer.

from October thru april, death valley is one of the coldest places in north America.

haven't ever taken a basic geography class, have you?

canova n daniels please answer wrote:

im waiting for all of you physiology expert coaches to give an explanation for this. if you cant provide one, then there it is counter-proof that high altitude training is worthless. training and racing at all altitudes is equal if you cannot answer this question.

The race would have to be held at super early/late hours and there's also nowhere good to stay/go for a run in the surrounding area. Are you 11?

Dreams to Reality wrote:

Because its 100-120 degrees Fahrenheit in Death Valley. Find a place below sea level with no win, zero humidity, and temps around 60 degrees.

You just described Death Valley in Nov-Feb...

interesting stuff wrote:

The race would have to be held at super early/late hours and there's also nowhere good to stay/go for a run in the surrounding area. Are you 11?

are you aware that deserts are only hot during SUMMER afternoons?

they are cold all other times of the year.

geo professor wrote:

Dreams to Reality wrote:

Because its 100-120 degrees Fahrenheit in Death Valley. Find a place below sea level with no win, zero humidity, and temps around 60 degrees.

only in the summer.

from October thru april, death valley is one of the coldest places in north America.

haven't ever taken a basic geography class, have you?

Geo Professors are literally the most autistic of all college professors. Congrats on knowing temperatures of a desert in Calfornia though. Shame you have zero emotional intelligence however.

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Today Death Valley will be between 32 and 60 degrees. In fact it won't be over 80 all week. Can some letsrunner in California go there and time trial a mile and tell us how it compares to his mile times at sea level?

nyc runner. wrote:

interesting stuff wrote:

The race would have to be held at super early/late hours and there's also nowhere good to stay/go for a run in the surrounding area. Are you 11?

are you aware that deserts are only hot during SUMMER afternoons?

they are cold all other times of the year.

Yeah, so good point... The only times I've been there were during the summer (for some reason I thought I was there in the late fall, but looking back it was actually july into august).

Not all distances are faster at lower altitudes--the longer the distance, the more oxygen matters; also, the faster you run, the more the cold affects your muscles. Heat isn't good for distance running, low altitude is. Also, 282 feet doesn't make much of a difference.

I was in death valley during Halloween time. I actually had to bundle up in a thick hoodie and sweat pants and ski-hat for most of the day. It is pretty chilly there except for in june and july.

We here a lot about how low altitude means faster times. I am actually curious about what some of the professionals on here have to say about does being BELOW sea level actually make you faster than being at sea level?

Ok

1) There is no track there that I know of. Or am I missing one?

2) It is only 86m below sea level (280 ish feet). That is not a lot of difference.

Those that question altitude converted times are idiots. The ideal gas law is a real mystery isn't it?

joedirt wrote:

Those that question altitude converted times are idiots. The ideal gas law is a real mystery isn't it?

What would be the conversion for Death Valley? +.1 second?

wind

I know like 90% of the posts in this thread are from trolls, but oxygen isn't the limiting factor at altitudes below like 4000 feet. There's no difference in performance between 1000 feet or 0 feet or -500 feet or whatever Death Valley is.

Lower altitude is SLOWER because the air is more sense, and you're not able to process that extra oxygen anyway. Lack of oxygen doesn't play a factor until nearly 2500' of altitude. Ideal altitude for distance events would probably be 1500'+ above sea level and even higher for the 800m where many fast times have been run at 5000' or more.