The ACC 5000M record was set in 1984.

Clemson had a pipeline to Scandinavia during those years and brought in some great distance runners.

In all seriousness, who are the great talents to come out of FSU?

1) Gets steamy in ACC country in spring

2) Long flight to fast races at Stanford

3) No great running tradition in conference

Jake from State Farm wrote:

NC State

Rollie's meet grinder of a program will never have anyone good enough to contend for a 5k conference record. They thrive off of the incredible depth they have, making mediocre improvements over 5 years to already talented runners out of high school. Along with the 'mandatory' first year redshirt for all freshmen, regardless of fitness level. I know three people who run for them who are redshirted this year and they haven't improved at all, and are constantly drained physically and mentally due to the amount of volume they do. They hate it.

And all three of them were sub 15 for 5k when they graduated. They've run some unattached meets (one ran at USATF XC Champs), mostly indoor meets, and they haven't even approached low 15's, which is sad because they went sub 15 on a hilly XC course.

Sounds like they are all young and should be patient.

Surprised Ryan Hill didn't get it, he was only 2 seconds off in 2012.

I know he had eligibility in 2013 and ran in his NC State singlet at USA's and also went on to run 13:14 that summer but for whatever reason he chose to run the 1500 at NCAA's so I guess he wasn't focusing on the 5k during the school season or something.

After seeing the ACC conference indoor results, I'm not surprised. Some of these teams aren't even good DIII teams. WF scored like 8 points, basically only had 2 good athletes, come on. That's Pathetic.

lol good one brush wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:

NC State

Rollie's meet grinder of a program will never have anyone good enough to contend for a 5k conference record. They thrive off of the incredible depth they have, making mediocre improvements over 5 years to already talented runners out of high school. Along with the 'mandatory' first year redshirt for all freshmen, regardless of fitness level. I know three people who run for them who are redshirted this year and they haven't improved at all, and are constantly drained physically and mentally due to the amount of volume they do. They hate it.

This is so spot on.

lol good one brush wrote:

Rollie's meet grinder of a program will never have anyone good enough to contend for a 5k conference record. They thrive off of the incredible depth they have, making mediocre improvements over 5 years to already talented runners out of high school. Along with the 'mandatory' first year redshirt for all freshmen, regardless of fitness level. I know three people who run for them who are redshirted this year and they haven't improved at all, and are constantly drained physically and mentally due to the amount of volume they do. They hate it.

Listen, I am not one to advocate for NC State, but I know a lot of guys who went to State and ended up MUCH stronger than they would have been otherwise.

There is a reason he is redshirting these kids. Part of that reason is that he knows they will be "constantly drained physically and mentally due to the amount of volume they do." Some will come out transformed on the other end.

Will they all succeed? No, they won't. But some will succeed and become much better runners. But it doesn't work for everyone and the system spits out the losers as broken bags of bones.

JPTokoto wrote:

Listen, I am not one to advocate for NC State, but I know a lot of guys who went to State and ended up MUCH stronger than they would have been otherwise.

There is no way anyone could possibly know this, and therefore everything else you say can be considered false and pointless.

Hiya folks wrote:

There is no way anyone could possibly know this, and therefore everything else you say can be considered false and pointless.

Okay, I understand your point. I had High School teammates and competitors who really surprised me with how well they responded to the program. Put it that way. Friends of mine who I wanted to see improve. Guys who felt the same way as the other poster's buddies during their freshman year, but came out really strong and ended up competing well on a regional and national scale.

I was an ACC runner as well, and it was always crazy to see the number of guys Rollie would churn out each year who could run fast XC, 5,000 and 10,000 times. The depth was just so ridiculous. I haven't follows college running in a while, so I am not sure if it is still working. Maybe guys are just getting hurt now, so who knows...

81runner wrote:

Clemson had a pipeline to Scandinavia during those years and brought in some great distance runners.

The pipeline was to Holland.

Recent 2015 ACC Indoor 5000 Results.

Not a strong domination by NC State..(they also did not score in the 3K)

1 Martin Hehir SR Syracuse 13:57.97 2 (1)

2 Stuart Robertson SO Virginia Tech 14:04.97 2 (2)

3 Mark Derrick JR North Carolina 14:07.30 2 (3)

4 Edwin Kibichiy SO Louisville 14:09.77 2 (4)

5 Shaun Thompson SR Duke 14:10.37 2 (5)

6 Jack Goodwin JR Florida State 14:12.97 2 (6)

7 John Raneri SR North Carolina 14:17.24 2 (7)

8 Jacob Thomson FR NC State 14:17.51 2 (8

lol good one brush wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:

NC State

Rollie's meet grinder of a program will never have anyone good enough to contend for a 5k conference record. They thrive off of the incredible depth they have, making mediocre improvements over 5 years to already talented runners out of high school. Along with the 'mandatory' first year redshirt for all freshmen, regardless of fitness level. I know three people who run for them who are redshirted this year and they haven't improved at all, and are constantly drained physically and mentally due to the amount of volume they do. They hate it.

All false. The volume that most of the freshman run is not that high, especially compared to what they did in high school.

The mile record was set in 1974. Tony Waldrop 3:53.2h.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Stjin Jaspers (RIP) Clemson 13:24.

With some of the talent to come out of NC State and FSU, I thought it would have been updated by now.

Just read Mr. Jaspers' Wikipedia page.

Pretty incredible. How often to solid distance runners die in their 20's from heart problems?

Also-- I thought that Clemson had a tie to the Isreali national team...

4runner wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Stjin Jaspers (RIP) Clemson 13:24.

With some of the talent to come out of NC State and FSU, I thought it would have been updated by now.

Just read Mr. Jaspers' Wikipedia page.

Pretty incredible. How often to solid distance runners die in their 20's from heart problems?

Also-- I thought that Clemson had a tie to the Isreali national team...

Indeed. At this time there were also quite a few european cyclist dropping dead of heart problems. Hmmm. I wonder if there is a substance that, if you are not careful, will thicken your blood so much so that you could die of a heart attack or some other type of "heart problem"...

George Orwell wrote:

The mile record was set in 1974. Tony Waldrop 3:53.2h.

That would be the record in just about all conferences.