OFFICIAL Athletics/T&F WR Thread

womens records are doped to the point where there's no use in speculating their downfall as it just won't happen anytime soon

as for the men, 7:24 indoors by Komen is the GOAT WR imo with Rudishas 800 WR being the greatest race

Realism wrote:

womens records are doped to the point where there's no use in speculating their downfall as it just won't happen anytime soon

as for the men, 7:24 indoors by Komen is the GOAT WR imo with Rudishas 800 WR being the greatest race

Do you think any runners in their prime could've beaten Komen's 3K records, either indoor or out?

Bumpers.

Another question: which WRs do you guys think will be broken next? Which are current athletes closest too? And also, which seem almost completely out of reach?

Bump. I'm drunk. Need some WR chat here!

the 1500m wr is best number of all for middle/distance flat races :

3'26.00 = 1'40.80 = 7'17.61 = 12'34.25 = 26'05.07

10k is definitely weakest wr because it is virtually an extinct race & even in the top races, uneven pace & lapping guys costs lotta time

to put it into perspective though, the 800wr shouda been 1'40-low in a rested effort with pacer to bell, the 1500wr ~ 3'25- mid, as too slow to bell considering 53.2 finish, the 3k more like 7'18 if komen had been rested & no suicidal 57-high start, the 5k ~ 12'34/12'35 at even pace considering 57+ finish & the 10k nearer 26'10 at even pace

if they'd run their best possible, rested, paced races, rudy's 800 wouda been by far the best, with the 1500/5k next, with 3k maybe fractionally behind

here are my tables for mathematically equivalent times :

https://2008olympictrialsakatommyleonard.shutterfly.com/filecabinet

go to "Ventolin worksheet"

do me a favour : i done lotta hard work to figure out those tables, do the lines of equivalence for :

- 1'40-low

- 3'25-mid

- 7'18-mid

- 12'34

- 26'10

Ventolin! I knew you'd be the best person to participate in a discussion like this. I'm very into stats, so I need to take a deep look into your tables some time. Agreed that Rudisha's 1:40 is the most impressive given the circumstances. Also agreed that the 10K is so rarely ran. I wish it was ran as frequently as the 5K. Same thing with the 3K (and 2 & 1K, for that matter).

Are there any indoor records that are equivalent or superior to outdoor records? I've been looking at the field records a little the last few days, and it's interesting that so many field records are so old. Also interesting that a British white guy destroyed the triple jump so easily.

Some of the guys out there are getting close to the indoor/outdoor WRs for the high jump.

I wonder if a woman ran faster than FloJo's 10.61 (?) if the IAAF would recognize it, since I know they've somewhat admitted that there might've been a faulty wind reader on the 10.49.

Zelezny's javelin throw is by far the most unbreakable record. You'll never see anyone get near that in your lifetime. Bolt's 100m, Bekele's 5K and Bekele's 10K are the most difficult men's track records. 9.58 is breakable, but only by Bolt right now. Blake and the others aren't capable of a time like that.

Bolt could also break Michael Johnson's 400m WR. Probably wouldn't attempt it until after Rio.

Many of the women's WR's are doped. All the WR's from the '80's and the Chinese records from the '90's are doped. To get a clear picture of what the real women's marks are they need to throw out all WR's prior to random drug testing (1989). That would throw out all of Flo Jo/Koch's garbage and only a couple of throw records by the men.

That said, of clean records, would have to say Dibaba's 5K for track and Spotakova's javelin (mostly because there are so few clean women's records). Those are actually two of the most recent.

I agree that the men's javelin is the most impressive WR. No one has come within 5 meters of it. I'll give my opinions of the men's running WRs:

100- Vulnerable. Blake ran a 9.69 with a -.1 wind. If he can healthy again and get a great wind then it's gone.

200- Blake should have already gotten the record in 2011 with his 19.26 (.27 RT!!!). With a normal reaction time of .15 he would have creamed the record. He just needs to get healthy again.

400- I can see Kirani James taking it down in the next 2-3 years.

800- Same as 400, but with Amos.

1500- I don't think Kiprop will get it and can't see it being broken anytime soon.

3000- No chance. Farah doesn't care about fast times

5000- ^

10,000- Rupp!!! (jk no one can get it. Won't be broken for a long time)

110 Hurdles- No one

400 Hurdles- No one

Interesting about the javelin. I don't know much about the field events. How far do you think Zelezny could've thrown the older, lighter javelin? Over the 104M WR? Crazy that Zelezny has the top five throws and the WR by 5M. Also, it seems only one throw from 2010 on has even been 90M or more (!!).

I keep waiting for Bolt to move up, but he's taking his sweet time and lessening his chances with the WR every year. I personally think Blake can one day break the 200M WR, but I'm less sure about the 100.

Why the hell do women like Dibaba not go after the 10,000M (or random other WRs more often)? You'd think they'd want to get their names into the history books and to get the $50K prize.

Blake is a great sprinter, but he doesn't have the stride length necessary to run that fast. Bolt's advantage is he has the quickness and coordination of Blake, but eats up more track. Blake is pushing it to get to 9.65. That's his ceiling and that would be remarkable for him.

His problem is he has put too much muscle on his upper frame. Now he's too top heavy. Today he almost fell down out of the blocks. I think his best days are behind him.

The 110h? That's one of the most vulnerable WR's out there.

400h is an underrated record that is starting to grow in stature.

Powell's LJ is something special, although it is not the real WR. Pedroso was robbed of a clean jump that should have stood.

Ventolin, your logic is flawed. You can't say a record is weak because the greatest ever runner in that event could have run faster. You say Bekele could have run 26.10 in his wr run. How does that make 26.17 weak?

A world record is only weak if there is athletes out there capable of breaking it. The record might have been weak for bekele but is far from weak for anyone else. By your logic, zelezny's record is weak because he could have thrown the javelin 5 metres farther then his world record throw.

Loot wrote:

Blake is a great sprinter, but he doesn't have the stride length necessary to run that fast. Bolt's advantage is he has the quickness and coordination of Blake, but eats up more track. Blake is pushing it to get to 9.65. That's his ceiling and that would be remarkable for him.

His problem is he has put too much muscle on his upper frame. Now he's too top heavy. Today he almost fell down out of the blocks. I think his best days are behind him.

The 110h? That's one of the most vulnerable WR's out there.

400h is an underrated record that is starting to grow in stature.

Powell's LJ is something special, although it is not the real WR. Pedroso was robbed of a clean jump that should have stood.

Never heard about Pedroso. What happened there? Agreed that the Powell LJ is absolutely insane. No one's come CLOSE, as far as I know. The TJ record is also insanely out of reach.

I still put my money on Blake getting the 200M WR before Rio, unless Bolt pushes it farther out of reach, which it don't really see happening, but he's been laying low lately.

Seeing Rupp run an impressive 26:44 the other week made me wish others ran that distance more. I bet a sub-26 will one day happen, which is INSANE. It'll happen before a sub-3:40 mile or its equivalent.

Will women ever break 4 in the mile? 14 in the 5K? I bet a sub-29 is somewhere pretty close to being around sub-26 for men. The sub-26 might be a little harder.

Meanwhile , Moses Mosop has the. 30,000M WR by almost 3 minutes! I tried to find the 20,000M WR on AllTimeAthletics, but could only find the 20K road one. I assume the road one is faster than the track one, since it's so close to the half-marathon distance?

Zelezny was on another level. If he were born in America he would have been recruited as a quarterback

Bolt's goal is to sweep all 9 Olympic golds from Beijing to Rio. So he's not going to jeopardized that plan by killing himself running 400's now. After Rio you may see it.

Tiru Dibaba has tried to get the 10K record many times. As great as she is (she has never lost a 10K race) she has fallen short of that doped Chinese record. I always thought she would get that eyesore out of the books, but I think her time has past. She's already transitioning to marathons now.

Her sister, Genzebe, has a chance to erase the other two Chinese eyesores, 1500 and 3K. I hope she does. She has the speed and the age. Aregawi could also be a threat to get the 1500.

Teddy Tamhgo went over 18 metres last year in the TJ. Still pretty far away but that hasn't happened in a long time. Johnathon Edwards jumps were incredible, he used to nearly land in the pit after the skip.

Cuban Ivan Pedroso broke Powell's WR in 1995. He jumped a 8.96 with a +1.2 legal wind. The Italian federation didn't submit the mark for WR ratification because they claim someone was standing near the anemometer and may have altered the reading. Total BS if you ask me. Many suspected that they didn't want to give the huge WR bonus to Castro's regime.

And more on the women's 3K, if you take out the extremely suspect Chinese times the (outdoor) WR would belong to Hellen Obiri from her run just last month in that incredible Doha race. However Genzebe Dibaba ran 4 seconds faster than that indoor in Feb.

I think that record will fall next.

I'd love to see G. Dibaba go after the mid-distance WRs and then move up in distance to attack the 10K WR. If Wang Junxia can run 3:50 and 8:06 for the 1.5 and 3Ks, so can Dibaba! Well...maybe not. 8:06.... F--- that record. I want all of those Chinese records DECIMATED. Imagine how satisfying that'd be. Can you believe the women's 1500M WR is equivalent to a 4:08 mile?! Nuts.

Never heard anyone talking of Bolt running post-Rio, but maybe. How old would he be? Hard to imagine he could even set any WRs in 2016, much less after, but he is a once-in-a-lifetime athlete. He used to mention trying out the LJ. Tough to imagine anyone without plenty of jump experience beating 29', but you never know. What could Powell run the 100 in?

I'm rather surprised Johnson's 400 has lasted so long. Everyone thought his 19.32 would last FOREVER, but I didn't think his 43.18 would last so long. I'm also surprised El Guerrouj's mile has lasted so long. Or even his 3:48 indoors, especially if a distance guy like Rupp ran a 3:50.

You know what's an old record? Johnny Gray's 600M record. Rudisha needs to knock that one outta the park just for kicks.

Loot wrote:

Cuban Ivan Pedroso broke Powell's WR in 1995. He jumped a 8.96 with a +1.2 legal wind. The Italian federation didn't submit the mark for WR ratification because they claim someone was standing near the anemometer and may have altered the reading. Total BS if you ask me. Many suspected that they didn't want to give the huge WR bonus to Castro's regime.

Interesting. If I were Pedroso, I would've been furious and sued the Italian federation. I see that Powell has a wind-aided and altitude-aided 8.99. Nuts!