The Washington "Redskins" name ought to be changed

you are a dumbazz. i am a full blood indian and people like you just want to take away our free speech and force us to call ourselves natives

i do NOT want anyone who claims to be a "native" or "native american". i am an INDIAN from an INDIAN tribe and i really dont get along with ppl who claim to be native or native american. i firmly believe the world would be a better place if all the ppl who claim "native" didnt even exist. all of the wild goofy outfits and extreme lifestyle is what being INDIAN is all about, not sitting around being politically correct and acting like you owe us something. i was an INDIAN before it was "cool" to be an INDIAN. im so tired of ppl freaking out if a white person wears a headdress. im so tired of ppl looking at INDIANS so seriously. how about we just continue to sit back and call each other "native" and continue to watch the entire INDIAN world evaporate because nobody will talk about and everyone gets offended about it because they are so ashamed? im an INDIAN before im anything else in life. i want the entire world to label me as INDIAN. the best day of my life was when i was in wal-mart and a lil girl pointed at me and said "look mommy, theres a INDIAN" im proud to be a REDSKIN INDIAN. its who i am and who i always will be. seriously, if you are on the "native" boat, please stay away from me and my INDIAN family. we are all wild INDIANS from INDIAN territory and proud of it. 100% true blue arizona INDIAN.

i need a true blue indian squaw. i really dont understand you people that think you can tell me what i am or what my family is. this is the united states of america and i can call myself whatever i want to call myself. i can claim to be chinese or black or eskimo or anything else my heart desires. until the day one of you "natives" roll up on me and put a bullet in my head, im gonna keep on and keep on crammin my INDIAN pride down ur throat. u will never "sensor" my speech or take away my right to bear arms or sugar-coat me from actin like an INDIAN. look at my body.......look at my family........look at where i live......and then try and tell me i aint no INDIAN. im pretty much only willing to invest all of my time in other wild INDIAN or wild MEXICAN woman. i sticc to my own kind. when all INDIANS are dead and all INDIAN culture is dead, it was NOT the proud people like me who caused their extinction. it was the people who wanted to sensor INDIANS and act like you owed INDIANS some special type of respect and wanted to see us for something we are not........CIVILIZED AND WHITE. the wildness and the savageness and the crazy colors and the stereotypes are what make INDIANS beautiful, not changing our name to "native american" and acting like we are normal/calm people. im from americas biggest, baddest, most violent, most powerful, most hated INDIAN tribe. betta believe dat homeboy

I must agree with the 2nd poster. I attend a University that has a few indians that go there, and some white or black is always in class talking about how we owe all this political correctness to Indians.

One time I was in class and there was an Indian kid up front (navajo i think) and the kid said he wanted to work at an Indian health clinic, and then some black girl in the back of the room stood up and said "excuse me, dont you mean native american" and went off on a long tirade about how she, a black girl, could somehow tell the Indian what he is or isnt allowed to call himself.

Come on people. Wake up. We dont "owe" minorities a special type of respect.

This is just another political correctness issue started by blacks. MOST INDIANS WANT TO BE CALLED INDIAN OR AMERICAN INDIAN.

The biggest problem with black people nowadays is that they think they are the ONLY minority. they think they have had it harder than mexicano, indians, arabs, and other groups. sure, they endured some slavery which is worth studying maybe for 1 week during highschool history class, but then we need to move on and talk about something else.

other minorities always prespect other minorities, black people dont. black people only respect other black people because they think they are the only minority. you see, black people think there is black, and then theres everything else. basically they think that if you are not black, then are the same as bing white. they think mexicanos and indians and arabs are the same as being white. like i said, blacks think they are the ONLY minority.

This is the biggest problem with black people nowadays.

It seems like the central issue here is whether the government has the right to infringe upon how a person identifies themself or their ethnic group. Even on the u.s. census, the option is American Indian or Alaskan Eskimo. Thats the option that it gives and I cant see why anyone would have a problem with that. If there really are 2 or 3 Indians that have been posting on this thread, it looks the guy who think people in the country of India are the only ones who are allowed to use the word has been destroyed. You are fighting an uphill battle my friend. To many people in America are over the age of 30 and are not proned to your new-age style of blatant forced political correctness. I grew up in the 60s and 70s, where the word Squaw was NOT considered offensive at all towards Indian woman. They took pride in the word. All Indian women identified themselves as Squaw. But nowadays, it's probably frowned upon and considered somewhere in the same bracket as Negro or all variations thereof. Indians, just like whites and every other ethnic group on Earth, dont get along with blacks and are fed up with them one sided tomfoolery.

The entire concept of political correctness in America was, indeed, initiated by blacks. They started demanding these things. Indians just want to be left alone, but blacks want special treatment. Look at all the civil rights laws, starting with brown vs board of education. It was the blacks that demanded that they be looked at specially and have everlasting compensation for the past, all while Indians (except from the very small AIM group) kept quiet and just wanted to be left alone on their land. I have never, ever, seen Indians or Mexicans causing a bunch of trouble. I have lived in border towns and Indian reservations, and I have never felt unsafe. Then the second that I step into a black community, I instantly witness violent crimes and bullcrap that endanger myself and my family. Maybe it is true that black are the only true minority on Earth, because the way they act and the special treatment that they demand from all non-blacks is no much more extreme than what any other ethnic group even remotely desires.

Atleast Indians have a very asthetic, elegant, beautiful culture. Blacks have no culture now except for crime associated rap crap music. Because of this, Indians deserve to be called Indians. They deserve to be saluted and prasied for their ethnic background and their lovely reddish colored skin, because I dont see anything negatively associated with being a red colored person. Blacks however, do not deserve that same respect. They deserve to be called the same derrogatory term that whites once called them and that they continue to call each other today.

What a young generational demographic we have on this board. A generation that thinks Chicago is a violent place compared to the way it was in the 1930s. A generation that thinks they are entitled to everything. And a generation that is fooled by African Americans into a permanent psychological trance of white guilt. Leave Indians and their sports mascots alone and let them be Indians. All the meanwhile, let blacks continue to ruin this country, remove our 1st and 2nd amendment rights, and force you to view every single non-black as a predator-esque George Zimmerman satanic species.

Please, for the love of God and the salvation of mankind, Let the Indian race prosper. Let the black bullcrap become extinct.

The Democratic Party is not powered by African Americans. It is powered by Scientists and Doctors and Lawyers and people with Doctoral Degrees.

im not a racist from the southeast. im a REALIST from the West. the only "real" racists live in the southeast. toothless conservative redneck obese hillbillies in ar, la, ms, al, and ok arent by far the worst racists on earth, but atleast they have their facts straight.

Are you trying to tell me that a racist in the bible belt/slave states are not worst a racist living in Detroit? you are strongly mistaken. white people in Detroit and Philadelphia PUT UP WITH BLACK PEOPLE AND DONT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THEM. white people in the bible belt have a strong strong strong hatred for blacks that you dont know anything about. white people in the bible belt are EXPECTED to be a racist. white people in other areas of american are not allowed to be racist. Im just giving the facts about all the genetically caused behavioral problems that make black people plague and pollute every city they touch.

The great state of New Mexico, which is the most Democratic State in America, also has the lowest population of blacks and the lowest percentage of Blacks.

We all know you don't hate Obama because he has beautiful tan skin. You only hate him because he is not a closed minded Baptist like you.

Sorry, "Indian" already taken by people from, um, India. If you want to be called Indian it will have to be hyphenated. Indian-Feathers or Indian-Woo-Woo. Which do you prefer?

genuine random a hole wrote:

Sorry, "Indian" already taken by people from, um, India. If you want to be called Indian it will have to be hyphenated. Indian-Feathers or Indian-Woo-Woo. Which do you prefer?

Where do you live?

I sure hope you never come to Oklahoma. Every single person here is a tribal member, and every single person claims Indian. We have Indian clinics, Indian schools, Indian museaums, and Indian art all over the state.

Why is it the only time I hear people complaining about the being called an Indian or Savage or whatever, its always the P.C. people in Washington??

Amber Harjo wrote:

Where do you live?

I sure hope you never come to Oklahoma. Every single person here is a tribal member, and every single person claims Indian. We have Indian clinics, Indian schools, Indian museaums, and Indian art all over the state.

Why is it the only time I hear people complaining about the being called an Indian or Savage or whatever, its always the P.C. people in Washington??

OK. Neither of us wants me to step foot in Oklahoma.

I am willing to bet those you call "Indian" would prefer to be referred to by the name of tribe (Apache, Cherokee, Shawnee, whatever). If Indian is what they prefer, sorry, already taken by folks from India.

Just to shut everyone up, I would settle for the term "Native Indian" or "Native American Indian".

I live in the 21st century, but still see no reason why everyone in America should "bend over backwards" just to call someone a Latino instead of a Mexican, or a Oriental instead of a Chinese, or a "native" instead of an Indian.

Tribes have been called Indians for several hundred years. Changing it at this point would just be stupid and unnecessary and pointless.

Not sure why you are so closed minded on this subject.

You are telling me that you are from East India, and therefore you think your people deserve the title of Indian more than American Indians?

Why don't you understand that nobody is trying to stop you from calling yourself an Indian? Nobody cares.

East Indians and American Indians will always exist. Get over it. It's just a word. Are you even aware that Indian also has tribes? Do you have any knowledge whatsoever about your own country or cultre?

Also, if you knew anything at all about American Indian culture, you would know to never asked them what tribe they are from. An Indians specific tribal affiliation does NOT define who he or she is. Tribes are just a legal entity. My state has long had the Indian Brotherhood Prison Gang, which is a gang for tribal members, started in Oklahoma, and spread to the rest of the states.

indian from indian reservation wrote:

you are a dumbazz. i am a full blood indian and people like you just want to take away our free speech and force us to call ourselves natives

It's not about free speech. After all the owner is exercising his right to keep the name. So, it's not illegal to use the name.

But your strong feelings about the name is in itself a reason to get ride of it as a national sports team name (mascot). We're watching and enjoying football. Why bring all this baggage (political stuff) along?

I noticed that you tend to refer to yourself as "Indian". Redskin is not in the same category?

Perplexed wrote:

I noticed that you tend to refer to yourself as "Indian". Redskin is not in the same category?

That is your personal opinion.

I have been in the game long enough to know that the people who are offended by Indian are the same people who are offended by Redskin. It seems like people like you (who are almost always non tribal members) will only settle for the word Native being the least offensive. But then you will find something else to gripe and whine about.

Sir or Maam, how do you have any idea what does or does not offend Indians, and why do you even care?

I am going to call myself what I want, and continue to be a Redskins fan.

Yes, it needs to be changed.

Associating Washington with Redskins gives Redskins a bad name.

Free Advice wrote:

Yes, it needs to be changed.

Associating Washington with Redskins gives Redskins a bad name.

Well played Sir!!! Couldnt have said it better myself.

Wild Indians are far better people than the thugs and theifs in Washington D.C. !!!!!

Thank you for bringing some humor into this convo.

What about the Vikings? I am Icelandic but find no offense to that.

What about the Oklahoma Sooners?

Do we change all other names that are named for a group of people? Cowboys, Jayhawks, Seminoles, Tar Heels.

indian from indian reservation wrote:

Sir or Maam, how do you have any idea what does or does not offend Indians, and why do you even care?

I am going to call myself what I want, and continue to be a Redskins fan.

I've been a fan since childhood and I still am. But the meaning of words change over time. This is nothing new. Words go out of fashion. "Redskin" as a national sports team name is a case of this.

Here we go again. Yes the Washington Redskins should change their name. Its racist and uncalled for. Its a racial slur in direct reference to Native Americans. Could you imagine if they changed their names to "The Wasington Crackers" or the "Washington N***ers"????? There would be nationwide outrage and people will be screaming to high heaven of racism. However its accepted for white people to use their likeness as mascots and name sports teams after them. There is definitely a double standard. Lets go with the "Washington Negroes" or the "Washington Rednecks" and see how Non Native Americans like it.

-80 Below Zero wrote:

Here we go again. Yes the Washington Redskins should change their name. Its racist and uncalled for. Its a racial slur in direct reference to Native Americans. Could you imagine if they changed their names to "The Wasington Crackers" or the "Washington N***ers"????? There would be nationwide outrage and people will be screaming to high heaven of racism. However its accepted for white people to use their likeness as mascots and name sports teams after them. There is definitely a double standard. Lets go with the "Washington Negroes" or the "Washington Rednecks" and see how Non Native Americans like it.

You are a moron.

Im a Redskin and proud.

Even at my church ppl laugh and call each other Savages. What the hell you gonna do about?? Not a dam thing.

Some of you may not realize there was another Washington team that had to change their name for the sake of political correctness. Anyone remember the Washington Bullets of the NBA? What are they now, the Washington Wizzers or something like that?

Change it or don't change it, most people don't care one way or the other.

Now, about that school in Indiana that dares to insult the peace-loving Irish .........

Washington Rednecks

honest question for everybody that's all offended

1) when was the last time that "native americans", "indians", whatever, came up in a conversation you were having?

2) when was the last time in one of those conversations someone was referring to them as "redskins" in a derogatory, dehumanizing way?

My guess at true answers if we get them

1) rarely if ever

2) never