gouchers drink?

Actaully it was a margarita she was drinking.

If that's true, that's an amateur mistake. With all of the resources available to everyone involved in Kara's preparation, the best they could come up with for a relatively hot weather marathon is diluted powerade? I don't even have 'a' laboratory, let alone many labratories, and I could create something better than that with ingredients from my kitchen. You could literally make a better sports drink out of Smarties, table salt, and water. Unbelievable.

Not ready for prime time

this and that is all conjecture.

the announcers may not have really known what they were talking about.

the announcers may not have really known what they were talking about.

DUH! ya think?

Sorry what exactly is "cho"?

CHO = carbohydrate

The info came from Salazar himself:

"Salazar said Goucher was drinking a diluted solution of Powerade mixed with a half packet of GU, an energy gel commonly used in competition and training by endurance athletes, on Sunday.

“It may be, with her, a matter of just drinking plain water and give up on the carbohydrate replenishment,” Salazar said. “It doesn’t do you any good to have carbohydrates in the water if they’re going to make you throw up and now you don’t have any fluid either. Maybe we’re going to have to go with just plain water.”"

http://www.universalsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23000&ATCLID=204779971

I think she should try flat Coke. I know its old school but if she could manage that it would be way better than jut water.

1500m wrote:

The info came from Salazar himself:

"Salazar said Goucher was drinking a diluted solution of Powerade mixed with a half packet of GU, an energy gel commonly used in competition and training by endurance athletes, on Sunday.

“It may be, with her, a matter of just drinking plain water and give up on the carbohydrate replenishment,” Salazar said. “It doesn’t do you any good to have carbohydrates in the water if they’re going to make you throw up and now you don’t have any fluid either. Maybe we’re going to have to go with just plain water.”"

Wow. I am in shock. This is very, very well known for hot weather marathons. All that work pissed away on a bad fueling decision.

Really? going with water over a carbohydrate drink is a "well-known" good decision in a hot marathon? I certainly didn't know about it.

I DO think that she probably ran into problems with the aforementioned gastric emptying limit; i.e. the solution had too much sugar to be absorbed properly. I believe that the upper limit is 7 or 8 % CHO (Gatorade is designed to have 5.9 or 6.9% IIRC), and once you get over this limit, your body starts to process the drink like a food, not a liquid. Don't quote me on those numbers, though, I'm just going off the top of my head. It's easy to find on google.

It really does show that this is only her third marathon. She's got a lot to learn, and personally I think she'd be better suited for the 10k (or half marathon) for a few more years. But I guess she's having kids, so good for her.

Didn't Goucher have the option of taking water at the water stops? I am sure she could have taken some water if the cho wasn't staying down especially that early in the race.

Poster Formerly Known asGoober wrote:

I think she should try flat Coke. I know its old school but if she could manage that it would be way better than jut water.

x2

They showed a guy run after one of the top women to give her water bottle after she failed to pick it up.

Is that legal for a coach or someone else to do?

Well, I knew about it, and I'm not a scientist or a coach. Any time you get too hot or too cold, your body is going to divert blood to the process of maintaining 37C, and away from processes like digestion. I'd be very curious to know how often she did hard tempos in 75-80F conditions with her drink prior to the race. I'm still just shocked at the tone of Alberto's quote. Maybe she needs to drink just water? You guess? Very surprising. I can't believe they didn't have access to an ex phys who has studied the hell out of this whole process, especially in relation to hot weather conditions.

Correct- 1972 or 76 Oly Marathon, Erich Segal(sp), the Love Story author who ran a 5 hour marathon and was an expert, showed what Frank Shorter ate for breakfast the day of a marathon.

It was enough food for the entire GDR team for a month. Just crazy.

I have heard she was drinking goat milk. Should have looked at expiration date.

I think you guys are forgetting her training plan...

"Run Hard"

I thought that was supposed to revolutionize the way we prepare for races!

1500m wrote:

The info came from Salazar himself:

"Salazar said Goucher was drinking a diluted solution of Powerade mixed with a half packet of GU, an energy gel commonly used in competition and training by endurance athletes, on Sunday.

“It may be, with her, a matter of just drinking plain water and give up on the carbohydrate replenishment,” Salazar said. “It doesn’t do you any good to have carbohydrates in the water if they’re going to make you throw up and now you don’t have any fluid either. Maybe we’re going to have to go with just plain water.”"

http://www.universalsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23000&ATCLID=204779971

Christ, that astounds me. Had they not done test runs with this fueling plan? Shouldn't he have already known what she can handle? This is amatuer hour.