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go away please
Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 10/2/2008 9:33PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
hey,
I have been dealing with a chronic weakness, tightness, and soreness of the right side of my body for the past year. It seems to have been triggered from hard hill repeats I did on the treadmill about a year ago. I have also been dealing with chronic right knee pain.

These feeling range from my right hip, to my right torso, the right side of my abs, the right side of my neck, and sometimes up into my shoulder. I have recently joined a Master's Swim Class and I noticed that I cannot get full extension on my stroke on my right side. Exercise seems to exacerbate the conditions. My doc doesn't think I have any neurological problems. I have mild scoliosis of my upper back as well as some postural problems which I have tried to self-correct but can't really seem to do anything about.

My knee seems to be a seperate issue, though it may be related to the first. Sometimes I feel as if my leg is not tracking properly for some reason, and my knee suffers because of it.

Any thoughts?
Qdoba
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 10/3/2008 1:49PM - in reply to go away please Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
try structural integration.
a balanced view
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 10/3/2008 2:19PM - in reply to Qdoba Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
osteopathy
osteopathy
osteopathy
I cannot say this enough.
obamacon
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 10/4/2008 10:38AM - in reply to go away please Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
He asked us to "go away please", but also asked for help. So help this brother out for me.
pizza pizza
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 11/10/2008 9:56AM - in reply to obamacon Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
consider an MRI of your abs/lower back. google "carrie tollefson" and "athletic pubalgia." If you are having trouble with your knees and your hip, the hip is most likely the true source of the problem.
tumors!
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 11/10/2008 11:35AM - in reply to go away please Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
stroke
pre101
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 11/10/2008 12:22PM - in reply to go away please Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
"been triggered from hard hill repeats I did on the treadmill about a year ago."

Physical injuries respond quite well to rest and proper treatments.

I would suggest that there is an alternative cause of your chronic pain.

Inner Stress/Tension/Anxiety which initiates through your autonomic nervous system a biochemical process called Oxygen Deprivation. This results in chronic soreness/tightness, burning sensations, spasms, sciatica/piriformis and hip and knee pain.

Check out http://www.runningpain.com and see if this fits you.

Monte Hueftle
pizza pizza
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 11/10/2008 1:15PM - in reply to pre101 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
DO NOT listen to Pre101. That is a lot of voodoo mumbo jumbo that won't get you anywhere.
zombies
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 11/10/2008 1:52PM - in reply to pizza pizza Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
pre101 has a valid point, but if this injury was triggered by a specific incident, I agree with pizza that you should get probably get an MRI if you haven't done so already. Not in the knee. The knee is ancillary. It is a byproduct of what the true problem is.
go away please
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 11/10/2008 2:47PM - in reply to pre101 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Monte,
What arrogance. To suggest that my injury is all in my head. Here's a though: maybe I am anxious, depressed, pissed off, self-conscious because I can't run. What a novel concept! You can't accept that chronic injuries exist because you have never had one yourself. Get over yourself. Try selling that bull**** somewhere else.
ryan bailey howard
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 1/12/2009 7:40AM - in reply to go away please Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
have you looked into the sciatic nerve?
ryan bailey howard
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 1/12/2009 11:45AM - in reply to ryan bailey howard Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
gotten any better, by the way?
similar
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 1/12/2009 1:34PM - in reply to ryan bailey howard Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
maybe you have developed or already had a leg length discrepancy that has worsened over time through milage, workouts, etc. hip tightness and weakness can result in shifting of the hips and spine to compensate for slight variations in your biomechanics and running gait. orthotics might help, or going to a chiro.
markbauerjav
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 3/16/2010 7:25AM - in reply to go away please Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Finally someone that has the same thing as me!!! I have the exact same symptons as you. It all started when i had tendonitus in my left knee. I ignored the pain and i played through it. After i played baskeball one day, i felt my right leg tighten up. And from that day on, alot of other muscles have tightened up permanently too. Ive been tight/sore in my right side for almost two years now. I'm now tight in every muscle on my right side. To give you examples: neck, shoulder, bicep, tricep, forearm, hand muscles, glute, hip flexor, quad, hamstring, calve, and foot. Ive searched the web countless hours for solutions. But I truly believe we have the same condition. I just wanted to know how you are doing, and if you have found any solutions or treatment? Thanks in advance.
srgebhart
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 10/23/2010 11:17AM - in reply to go away please Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Came across this post when researching for one of my patients. She has the exact same symptoms, complaining of entire right sided "heaviness, tightness, and dullness". All started after a hip subluxation over a year ago. She is a long and triple jumper who has actually recovered well and competed at a very high level, but has now come to me with right sided shoulder and neck symptoms. Have any of these suggestions been looked into and found successful?
JBL
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 3/30/2012 12:49PM - in reply to go away please Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
GoAwayPlease
srgebhart
markbauerjav

PLEASE READ THOROUGHLY. I believe I have anecdotal information that can help all of you to one degree or another.

PLEASE respond!!! We NEED to discuss, exchange treatment experiences, successes and failures. There are others who suffer from this that I have found, but they are spread out.

SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO EVALUATE AND ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES. LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO FIND SOME RELIEF AND COMFORT FOR OURSELVES AND OTHERS.

I'm not a Doctor, just a patient, but I have spent a lot of time over 5+ years attempting to understand this condition.

There are many pain specialists, but VERY FEW MUSCLE PAIN SPECIALISTS. It is important to understand this factor in your treatment. MUSCLE PAIN, it's origins, how to treat, etc... is just NOT well understood by the medical community beyond the basic bruise, spasm or cramp. As i will strongly suggest below, you should also visit at least one neurologist or neurosurgeon - the YOUNGest, freshest, best educated you can find.

For me its been debilitating, but I have found ways to manage and get -some- relief I used to run regularly, but strenuous activity of any kind only exacerbates the issues.

Doctors are stumped to make any diagnosis - and I've seen some of the BEST Doctors in the country.

I too have the same EXACT condition: muscle tightness down entire right side with centers of pain in neck, shoulder, arm, wrist, hand, mid rib cage, hip, glutes, ankle and foot. Moderate to severe pain at virtually all times. Greatest relief I have is AFTER I sleep flat on my back. Pain re-emerges within minutes after waking beginning my day.

I have some meds, but I also stretch and apply heat and cold constantly just to get slight to moderate temp relief.

Medications: I'm on Tinazidine & take Aleve, Advil or Tylenol which makes somewhat of a dent. I have been on Flexiril & other old styles of muscle relaxers w/ varying degrees of relief. SOMA is definitely effective, but it metabolizes as a barbiturate and my understanding is that Doctors now try to avoid prescribing that in anyone under 60. Cannabis definitely helps alleviate stress and some pain, but not legal here and as such I avoid it. However if u r in one of the Medical Marijuana States I suggest you at least investigate it. I also have Klonopin, which I use sparingly because it makes me sleepy and groggy, but it is very effective at bed time at both alleviating some pain and getting me to sleep.

All that having been said I IMPLORE ALL OF YOU and anyone else that reads this to AVOID AND RESIST OPIATES & OPIOIDS AT ALL COSTS - especially if you are still young. Opiates will give temp relief BUT ultimately greatly exacerbates the condition because Opiates & Opioids cause extreme tightening of muscles. You will need to keep increasing dosages to maintain relief - it's a no win battle. Opiates and Opioids cause muscle tension in everybody, it is not an anecdotal side effect.

Also, I AVOID ALCOHOL. It causes inflammation and exacerbates the issue as well.

Generally, I AVOID ANYTHING THAT CONTRIBUTES TO INFLAMMATION. This includes anything made with processed WHITE SUGAR & 'enriched' BLEACHED FLOUR.

Personally, I became a vegetarian and eat raw & par-cooked foods. For me it has seemed to help to lesson the severity of the pain. When I say this I mean that I used to get regular migraines (at least once a month) from the extreme tightness and the stress it can cause.

Some further details. For me I have recently been inclined to conclude that this condition has been caused by extreme stress and trauma to my right side over a lengthy period of time. However, I have a further related mitigating factor - the removal of a non-cancerous thoracic schwannoma from the sympathetic nerve (yes this also caused pain and trauma, but my right side condition may also be the direct result of sympathetic nerve damage (parasympathetic nerve chain plays key role in your stress levels and governs fight or flight response).

Despite the additional injuries I will list below, I have felt pain and discomfort in my right shoulder and neck since I was in my early teens.

THUS as a precaution, I *suggest* that you seek out a neurologist, preferably a neurosurgeon, explain your symptoms and request an MRI be taken of your neck & chest.

It was a COMPLETE ACCIDENT that led us to discover the thoracic schwannoma!

Previously I had had a stress test which I passed with flying colors. Three different GP's though it was all in my head and never made a referral. The tumor had been missed on a chest X-Ray (for suspected lyme disease) from 8 years previous AND on a second X-Ray (where it was far more prominently displayed) from about 2 1/2 years earlier.

Once my MRI came back, my neurosurgeon pulled the XRays and bingo ... there it was. [Incidentally, the explanation given for missing it was that the XRay was for specific suspected illness/injury and because they weren't looking for or suspecting a tumor, it was missed. Seems like an inefficiency in the health care system to me]. I had also saw a physiatrist who was clueless about my complaint.

I am right handed. I have had two major incidents with injury/illness to my right side. I was athletic and played baseball. In fact, my pain was repeatedly dismissed as likely general wear and tear from having played baseball.

I have experienced various neurological phenomena

Right side injuries:
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- severe Septic Knee (MRSA) that required two procedures to clean out, nearly led to amputation. This was 20 years ago and thank goodness I had found a Frank Jobe trained orthopedist.

- Broken Rib

- Thoracic Sympathetic Schwannoma - to remove this, my surgeons went in through my chest and needed to break my clavicle (which healed slightly off-center from the way nature had set it) and cut through my sternum to open my ribcage like a door on a hinge to get at my Thoracic region. If they had gone in through my back (which is the first option typically) they would have had to cut all my shoulder muscle away from my spine and I would have risked permanent damage.

(As a semi-related aside - any trauma to the sympathetic nerve chain can result in the relatively benign, though odd-looking Horner's Syndrome. It is an expected outcome of nerve damage or trauma - but in no way causes pain itself. I only mention it because if on the chance you do follow my advice and seek an MRI via neurologist and do in fact have a thoracic sympathetic schwannoma, then the likelihood of Horner's syndrome eventually developing either by inaction or surgical removal is there).

General
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- I had a very severe case of Ehrlichia (tick borne disease at least as bad as and associated with Lyme Disease).

- car accident in which impact caused me to lunge forward striking my chin on rear view mirror. Yes I was wearing a seatbelt, but it an old car and apparently the seatbelts sucked. Other than a laceration however there wasn't any other significant injury.

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I sincerely hope all of the folks I addressed at the top of this post read this and respond with your experiences and as many details as possible. I have long thought about starting a Message Board in hopes to chronicle the battle that myself and others have had with this somewhat mysterious condition.

My current belief is that the rightside chronic pain condition can and is caused by several injuries and quite possibly by certain diseases & illnesses.

I have studied and been enlightened by the Google Body Browser (I encourage you to pinpoint your pain, go to the GBB and attempt to pinpoint which muscles and or joints may be a trigger or focal point of the pain. Write these down and take to your doctor and ask for their feedback. It may help take you in a new direction of treatment.) PubMed, NIH and various other LEGITIMATE medical resources have been indispensable.

Having educated myself enormously over the last 5+ years last year I began to formulate my own 'theory' which I have since discussed with my pain specialist. He believes my 'theory' is as good as any ....

BASICALLY MY THEORY IS THIS: 'Right Side Pain Syndrome' (for lack of a better term) is caused by one or more initially unrelated (to chronic pain and muscle tightness) illness(es), disease(s) and injury(ies) which trigger an imbalance via even a slight to moderate atrophy of structurally vital muscles and/or injury related scar tissue that can, under the right conditions, alter the original configuration of your muscular-skeletal system, perhaps significantly. That triggered imbalance causes a chain reaction of stresses via overcompensation or under-compensation of other muscles (from head to toe) against your relatively static skeletal structure. These stresses in turn cause stronger muscles to pull against weaker muscles, which in turn pulls bones, joints and other muscles out of their natural positions; which in turn causes stress and inflammation of joints, cartilage and connective tissues which in turn impinges on nerves and various blood vessels. Which, I believe explains the head-to-toe nature of the chronic pain.

Furthermore, if all of that is true, then all of which can reasonably be suspected as significant contributors to and quite possibly directly cause elevated stress levels; which, in turn, can and does cause elevated blood pressure. Elevated stress levels ALSO can contribute to chronically insufficient oxygen in the blood - which not only exacerbates inflammation and the pain response, but left unchecked can cause additional stress and quite possibly heart damage.

And yes, I am positing that moderate to severe muscular-skeletal injuries can ultimately be an anecdotal if not chief contributor to heart disease.

I believe my theory on the nature of 'Right Side Pain Syndrome' means it is treatable with varying degrees of relief and comfort depending on the underlying triggers that are the genesis of your RSPS. In my case, likely permanent nerve damage may mean I'll never be completely pain free. But at least I can make some sense of what is happening inside me.

And YES - if not a patient who has been suffering and desperately seeking answers and solutions to my chronic pain - I would be otherwise completely unqualified to be making these assessments. However, I have studied and evaluated my condition to a degree that my Doctors have recommended that I consider entering the medical field. And if I weren't already middle aged and suffering from debilitating chronic pain, I'd probably do just that. I do understand scientific principle and have ALWAYS put great weight in Occum's Razor which posits given all the explanations for an explained problem or phenomena, almost always its the simplest explanation that is the correct explanation. I feel my 'theory' passes that litmus test in that it is quite reasonable to assume that a severe injury or illness may ultimately contribute to and/or directly cause imbalances and deficiencies that trigger other ailments, disorders and injuries.

There remains a great deal of things we do not yet understand in terms of how the human body works. Don't give up hope. Let's work together to try and understand this condition much better and let's try and FIND A TREATMENT THAT WORKS!!!!


Finally, I'll leave you with this warning disclaimer ....

DO NOT SIMPLY SELF-DIAGNOSE AND/OR SELF-MEDICATE.

By all means research, read and evaluate to better understand your symptoms and how to communicate them with your Doctor but LET YOUR DOCTOR MAKE THE DIAGNOSIS. Then together you can discuss a course of evaluation and treatment to follow. If treatment is not working sufficiently, don't get discouraged. Discuss it again with your Doctor and try something else. DON'T BE AFRAID TO REQUEST OTHER APPROPRIATE SPECIALISTS.

All my best and hopes of a pin free day. I sincerely hope to hear from ALL of you (especially the Medical professional who posted here).
JBL
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 3/30/2012 1:04PM - in reply to srgebhart Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Please if you get this message, read my post and post a reply. I'd love to know what positive outcome, if any your patient had.
kthomp28
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 4/24/2013 1:47AM - in reply to JBL Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Dunno if you ever check this anymore JBL, but I'm willing to work with you on this. Reply if you see this.
lew
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 5/4/2013 10:46AM - in reply to kthomp28 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I have the same pain and have been to every kind of dr. It has gotten progressively worse over the years. All on the right side. Dull, tight, spasms, twitching PAIN! It started with my RIGHT knee, then shoulder blade, now it is into my hip, buttock, ribs (hard to breathe sometimes), quad & hamstring. My leg pulls in and pulls out my sacroiliac joint constantly. My seems to be helped with exercise if I have the strength. I sometimes use acupuncture and that helps for a bit. If anybody still checks this is there a diagnosis you have or treatments that help?
lew
RE: Chronic Soreness/Tightness Right Side of Body 5/4/2013 10:48AM - in reply to kthomp28 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I have the same pain and have been to every kind of dr. It has gotten progressively worse over the years. All on the right side. Dull, tight, spasms, twitching PAIN! It started with my RIGHT knee, then shoulder blade, now it is into my hip, buttock, ribs (hard to breathe sometimes), quad & hamstring. My leg pulls in and pulls out my sacroiliac joint constantly. My seems to be helped with exercise if I have the strength. I sometimes use acupuncture and that helps for a bit. If anybody still checks this is there a diagnosis you have or treatments that help?
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