Rupp and Goucher, Salazar's Lab Rats?

You've got way too much time on your hands, Sherlock. Come out of your shuttered room and enjoy the outdoors once in awhile!!

2 elite runners being, coached by someone who has been dogged by drug allegations, mysteriously have the same ailment which can be resloved by a drug. This same drug when administered correctly has been shown to stimulate EPO production.

Coincidence? You decide.

Rupp will never amount to Webb's ability, in any distance.

Boy, I Wonder wrote:

Coincidence? You decide.

I have decided that you are a moron.

"Here is what we know about Alberto?

1. He used Prozac to help his running(a legal drug).

2. He used ZMA to help his running(a legal aid).

3. many have stated that his car was seen at the office of a Dr. that prescribed illegal drugs.

4. He had a relationship with Victor Conte?

5. He felt obligated to have his name pulled off of Victor Conte's client list 18 years after he was a client.

(why not just say you were receiving vitamins).

6. He currently works with several young and promising runners.

7. He states that "science has been underused in our sport".

8. He was an advisor to Mary Slaney during her ban from the sport."

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"other than buying some ZMA, but then everybody started making this stuff. They said people who were low on testosterone, it could help them. A lot of athletes took that. It's legal and there's nothing wrong with it." -Alberto Salazar

Dr Smulovitz and now Conte? If we find out about a link to Charlie Francis, Alberto will be 3 for 3!

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/128181p-114690c.html

Long distance running legend Alberto Salazar, whose name was removed from the Web site after he sent Conte an e-mail to complain in September, said he worked only briefly with Conte.

"This was around 1985 and I was running poorly and he contacts me (through a coach) and says, 'We got this new tech of measuring your trace elements' and all this. So I sent him some urine," Salazar says. "That was the only time I did anything with them, other than buying some ZMA, but then everybody started making this stuff. They said people who were low on testosterone, it could help them. A lot of athletes took that. It's legal and there's nothing wrong with it."

Salazar, never accused of doping in his extraordinary career, says he has neither met Conte nor visited the lab, but he knows the modern frenzy over doping puts anyone in a bad light."

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=241725&thread=241715

The original poster is probably right. I don't think either Rupp or Goucher would knowingly use performance enhancing drugs. But it wouldn't be any problem to drug somebody without their knowing about it. A guy could be sent for testing at a "recommended lab" and be "found to have a thyroid problem" which would require a special prescription drug. All apparently above board. Failing that, athletes could just be given regular "oil" massages or merely have bottles labeled "Multivitamins" doled out to them.

But Salazar isn't the head of the beast in this. If there is anything fishy going on, Salazar is privy to it, but Nike is at the helm.

Goucher's thyroid probs were diagnosed in Colorado not by Alberto. And you have a very small penis.

People are so freaking jelous that they have to post this crap...Do you have any proof? NO Have you ever met Alberto and directly asked him these questions with proof of him doping? NO Do you worry about someone being better than you and there is nothing you can do about it? Yes Man drop all this crap, it means nothing without proof, speculations are just that. Go out go for a long run/tempo-fartlek and worry about yourself...

Dude

jd wrote:

Have you ever met Alberto and directly asked him these questions with proof of him doping?

FWIW, he told my dad at the OT in 1984 that he will take any legal substance to help get an edge (and there was a lot of stuff that was legal back then). Is this proof that he's doping? No, but between those comments and everything else (including links with Victor Conte), I think the writing is on the wall.

Scary.

Now you can add the mysterious disappearance of Chock. Now she's back. What's up?

I think there is a complicated situation that comes into play in regards to performance enhancing through medication.

Many runners go through periods of unexplained fatigue and go to seek medical answers. Very common is iron deficiency, easy to determine, you take a blood test and get the results and if there's a problem you start taking iron supplements. A few years ago it seemed like every other runner has asthma, its amazing the increase in inhalors I noticed high school kids using in the 90's.

Thyroid problems I have noticed solely in elite athletes. Kennedy evidently had one late in his career, Goucher, Gail Devers, now Rupp. Other than those examples I've not seen much examples or heard much about it. Its sort of funny how these are all elite Nike athletes but can easily just be a coincidence.

Anti-depressant medication is another blurry area. I was on some for a short time and I could have sworn there was a definite enhancement in my running performance. Getting diagnosed and prescribed these meds is as easy as seeing a doctor and telling your symptoms.

I wonder if extreme training causes these problems. Science has produced drugs to help, and in turn may artificially make you even stronger. Its a tough thing to measure. Where do you draw the line?

If a drug is intended to correct a problem that deters from health and preformance, it might also possibly artificially enhance performance in people where the problem might not even exist.

How does the USOC determine a drug is an illegal aid? SO they do tests on every single drug that is prescribed? I doubt that.They have to be a few steps behind and just wait until they see something start showing up in a lot of drug tests.

Here is the answer!!!!!!!!!!!!

Laboratory experiments have demonstrated that tetra- and triiodothyronine (T4, T3) enhance hypoxia-induced erythropoietin (Epo) production.

Altitude Tent (hypoxic conditions) - Legal

Thyroid Hormones - Legal

Altitude Tent + Thyroid Hormones = Legal way to boost EPO

No needles, nothing "ILLEGAL"

Bob Kennedy used an altitude tent, was diagnosed as "hypothyroid" and was a Nike sponsored athlete!

Coincidence?

Somebody, somewhere knows something!

what's the mystery? goucher had been diagnosed with this years ago and i believe it is hereditary for him (someone can confirm this). why don't you do us all a favor and get some synthroid, take it for a couple of months and then report back to us how you are feeling and how good your training has been. i think i know what the answers will be.

Bump for fun.

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A lot has changed in 9 years hasn't it? Or maybe not ...