Doping widespread in Kenya? Fresh allegations by German journalist

Jealous much?

Melo Anthony wrote:

Jealous much?

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I know someone who goes to my doctor who is on drugs. Does that mean I'm on drugs?

Of course - it is guilt by association. Isn't that the American way?

Melo Anthony wrote:

Jealous much?

Shoot the messenger.

Here's the TV report (in German) - there's likely to be a more extended version to be broadcast soon. The owner of the Nairobi "health shop" where they are buying EPO claims that Patrick Makau is a regular customer.

runn wrote:

I know someone who goes to my doctor who is on drugs. Does that mean I'm on drugs?

And your doctor keeps centrifuges and testing equipment in his basements, boasts of his expertise with steroids, and offers to assist you with a blood doping program and avoiding detection?

Querfeldein wrote:

And your doctor keeps centrifuges and testing equipment in his basements, boasts of his expertise with steroids, and offers to assist you with a blood doping program and avoiding detection?

He might do that for other people, but for Jelimo and all the other lovely smiley Kenyans he's just offering a normal GP service.

I would imagine he only really has white people as clients for the dodgy stuff, as East African athletes are not genetically programmed to cheat. They just can't do it. Renato says so.

can we get some English commentary on this?

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trollism wrote:

I would imagine he only really has white people as clients for the dodgy stuff, as East African athletes are not genetically programmed to cheat. They just can't do it. Renato says so.

Exactly!

(... or so I think. It's not always easy to decipher exactly what Renato is saying)

In any case there's simply no way such methods would work for people born at altitude. Some guy on a message board told me that in no uncertain terms.

Well ARD is mainstream media outlet but I didnt listen. Sounds like sketchy stuff though.

I listened and watched the documentary. And I am native german .

Here is what happened: Hajo Seppelt, journalist went to Kenya and claimed to be a European Athlete's manager. He spoke to one of the leading Athlete's doctor there about possibilities to get "extra support" = doping (this was videotaped with hidden camera). He was pointed towards the doctor from a source in kenya track and field.

The doctor went on and openly talked about opportunities to perform blood doping, where to hide the blood bags, etc.. He said he has already a lot of experience with this. He can also get HGH's if he needed and EPO. Doctor said he is working with a lot of athletes, from many countries including Bahrain and the US, but of course does not want to call names.

Journalist Seppelt asked about doping controls in Kenya and the doctor said there are not many controls in Kenya, also he has a program running where he regularly checks the urine and blood of his athletes to see whether they could be tested positive.

My opinion:

a) ARD is not just some mainstream media source in germany that focus on celebrities or so, it is instead historically a unbiased media program and to some extent comparable with the BBC.

b) Still I am a bit sceptical. This reporter guy was sort of exaggerating by saying this interview and the research he did gives him enough evidence to convinced that most kenyian athletes starting in London this year will be doped. He also repeatedly simplified the whole reason why kenyans are so good as simply stating "well, we always thought that it was only the altitude, whereas in fact I have now evidence it might be also due to doping".

I am not sure what to think of this, to be honest. By the way he did not make the claim Chelimo is under a doping program he only said that doctor showed him her blood profile.

hope that helps a bit.

Tell ya one thing: If you're white and you point out that a whole lot of the best athletes in track (who mostly happen to be black of course) are doping, you're just wrong. Shut your mouth. Because until it's proven in a court of law, there is NO WAY any of the Africans are doping. They ran to and from school EVERY DAY!

Is blood doping ever detectable? If you get a transfusion of your own blood, how can they know? This was a common charge against Lance Armstrong.

They can find microscopic pieces of the bag the blood was in, pumping round your veins. Says Frank Shorter.

bladerunner wrote:

Is blood doping ever detectable? If you get a transfusion of your own blood, how can they know? This was a common charge against Lance Armstrong.

The biological passport is one way to detect transfusions.

Querfeldein wrote:

Melo Anthony wrote:

Jealous much?

Shoot the messenger.

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I have no idea who is/is not doping. But this knee-jerk "jealous much?" reaction is childish nonsense.

Lol, same old nonsense. The child of a Nazi is a Nazi, racist to the core. you can buy any fake doctor to say wherever you want to hear.

I just wrote to AK to investigate and find out who these doctor is and see if the allegations are true. The reporter needs to give all the information to IAAF, WADA and AK, this is a serious issue.