not new here wrote:
I'll give you that, girl!
Bad Wigins is female?! I've been thinking the poster was male this whole time.
not new here wrote:
I'll give you that, girl!
Bad Wigins is female?! I've been thinking the poster was male this whole time.
Giles Corey wrote:
[quote]turnips wrote:
Marion prison is up to 6 deaths out of 2,015 positives among inmates. That's an infection fatality rate of 0.3% and rising.
Pickaway prison is up to 21 deaths out of 1,565 positives among inmates. That's an infection fatality rate of 1.3% and rising.
The term lockdown came from prions.
Seeing as how badly the prisons are being hit, why the Christ would you want to push a lockdown on free society?
I'm not pushing lockdowns. They are appropriate and necessary in some circumstances and not needed in others. Lockdowns are not needed when the number of cases are low enough that they can be tracked by contact tracers, and there is enough testing (high ratio of tests to positive tests, no restrictions to getting a test) to know that the community spread is minimal or none.
The places that have the most freedom are those places where the number of cases have been taken down to minimal levels: Alaska, Taiwan, Vietnam, New Zealand, Australia, China, South Korea, etc. South Korea is talking about opening up business travel to China. New Zealand and Australia are planning to open up travel. To earn your freedom, where you live might have to have a really good lockdown. Otherwise, places that are doing well won't want people from your state/country to enter.
96% of the prisoners who tested positive had zero symptoms. ZERO. 96%. Let that sink in.
They are just walking the green mile.
turnips wrote:
Giles Corey wrote:
Two dead out of nearly 2,000 infected.
In a cramped, indoor environment where people die all the time.
Scary. So very scary
Please keep up. Marion prison is up to 6 deaths out of 2,015 positives among inmates. That's an infection fatality rate of 0.3% and rising.
Pickaway prison is up to 21 deaths out of 1,565 positives among inmates. That's an infection fatality rate of 1.3% and rising.
This thread started soon after the testing, deaths are expected to continue for at least two or three more weeks. I expect the IFR of Marion to be similar to Pickaway after all the cases resolve.
marion only has 4 deaths?
Serious McSerious wrote:
96% of the prisoners who tested positive had zero symptoms. ZERO. 96%. Let that sink in.
Zero symptoms WHEN TESTED. Let that sink in.
As updates on this thread have made clear, people can sicken, and some die, days/weeks after asymptomatically testing positive.
That said, I acknowledge that the majority apparently never develop symptoms, and I'm glad for them. Now we just have to keep these asymptomatic carriers from infecting the people whom SARS-CoV-2 can sicken.
Livetorunfast wrote:
turnips wrote:
Please keep up. Marion prison is up to 6 deaths out of 2,015 positives among inmates. That's an infection fatality rate of 0.3% and rising.
Pickaway prison is up to 21 deaths out of 1,565 positives among inmates. That's an infection fatality rate of 1.3% and rising.
This thread started soon after the testing, deaths are expected to continue for at least two or three more weeks. I expect the IFR of Marion to be similar to Pickaway after all the cases resolve.
marion only has 4 deaths?
Marion now has 8 deaths and Pickaway 23.
https://drc.ohio.gov/Portals/0/DRC%20COVID-19%20Information%2005-01-2020%201311.pdfI think you are missing the point. The fact that a HUGE majority of people never ever ever develop symptoms is important. This thing has been here a while. I'm convinced my daughter had it in January. She tasted negative to flu A & B, but was experiencing every symptom, although not needing to be hospitalized. This curve that all the government officials talk about is based on faulty data that assumes those who don't have symptoms haven't gotten this virus. The truth is A LOT of folks have already had this thing. The curve will not be as big as "they" predict because of it. Now everyone is trying to save face and open things back up without the people revolting and throwing the bums out.
Prisoners aren't known for their good health or access to good healthcare. 5 dead so far in another prison outbreak in Joliet. Likely the death toll will continue to rise.
How many of those deaths are coded Covid when it really is an old fat smoker with diabetes.
An actual physician wrote:
Prisoners aren't known for their good health or access to good healthcare. 5 dead so far in another prison outbreak in Joliet. Likely the death toll will continue to rise.
I agree they aren't. That's why it is easy to refute the original poster, who was trying to make the point that there were zero deaths out of 1,800 way, way too early. Pickaway is already at 1.5% infection fatality rate and climbing.
Looks like it's up to 13 out of 1800.
https://www.ideastream.org/news/inside-marion-correctional-with-covid-19-we-just-passed-it-around
Ahead of the Curve wrote:
Looks like it's up to 13 out of 1800.
https://www.ideastream.org/news/inside-marion-correctional-with-covid-19-we-just-passed-it-around
So 0,7 % case fatality rate.
Inmates may not be the most healthy population, but they usually don’t have the most dangerous risk factor: age > 80.
13 out of 1800? That really isn't that bad considering the health of most inmates. Statistically 300 or more of the inmates have hepatitis from drug use that would compromise their immune system, 27 would be HIV positive, not to mention numerous individuals with things like cancer, coronary issues, etc. Many use drugs, smoke, etc. On average 0.3% of prisoners die in prison each year (while I understand that 0.7% is higher than 0.3%, it is worth acknowledging that prisoners are not exactly beacons of health). COVID alone isn't killing these people. It is COVID and a laundry list of other factors.
My mom always said if you twist yourself into a pretzel, you might get stuck.
All due to Covid, no doubt.
No deaths for any other reasons in the prison over this 2 month period I guess
It's still going up. Case fatality rates calculated now will be too low. Now 14 at Marion. (0.65% and rising).
Pickaway is up to 35 deaths. (2.1% CFR and rising). Pickaway infections started earlier than Marion, so the current CFR calculation is not as much an underestimate.
You can see from my post a bit higher in the thread that two weeks ago that Marion was at 8 and Pickaway 23.
Giles, only two of the Pickaway deaths are "probable". All the Marion, and 33 of the Pickaway are confirmed.
Why do you NEED to paint this virus as being so bad? What do you have to gain from this?
turnips suck wrote:
Why do you NEED to paint this virus as being so bad? What do you have to gain from this?
I'm not painting anything. Those are numbers from the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction. I gain nothing from this. It's obvious that this virus is an efficient mass killer. It's killed at least 88,000 Americans in just two months. That's over 30 9/11s. What do you get out of pretending it's not deadly?
Ok. It is "deadly. " point taken. Now stay home until a cure is found. The cure is worse than the disease is just a conservative talking point and has no merit.