The CDC released their latest flu numbers - 1,000 more died March 7 - March 14 - When will you learn?

CFR estimates in the USA are challenging given

1) testing isn't broad scale

2) during the exponential phase many more patients are sick in the hospital than dead or recovered

You're not any more informed/clever than others in this thread

Thanks KudzuRunner, great article.

Excellent time-line of events.

Just read through this tread. Watching "Facts Matter" make a fool of himself has been pretty enjoyable. Hopefully one day he grows up enough to move out of his mom's basement. One day!

The media sucks. Raving lunatics trying to wipe out America.

No sh** it's not broad scale. Hence why we're missing so many positives. Would you say the true CFR is closer to what is being reported or to what I stated is most likely the true rate? You know damn well it's not anywhere close to as high as being reported, although I have no idea why you're trying to push that viewpoint...

Harambe wrote:

CFR estimates in the USA are challenging given

1) testing isn't broad scale

2) during the exponential phase many more patients are sick in the hospital than dead or recovered

You're not any more informed/clever than others in this thread

Imagine assuming the virus kills people the instant you get positive test. This has to be trolling. No human can be so self righteous and so wrong. :) Wuhan shows most deaths occur 2-3 weeks after infection.

not my real name wrote:

At this point most rational people would realize that they’d blatantly contradicted themselves and either admit it or bail out of the conversation. Of course, you being the moron that you are, I don’t think we’ll be so fortunate. You are a dumb person, it’s the only explanation. It’s obvious you think you’re smart, but that’s clearly not true. Do we need to explain this in simpler terms for you?

Holy crap. I don't think it's humanly possible to explain this any simpler for this guy. I'd say this is a 4th grade concept, maybe 5th, tops. Dude, seriously, give it up, you're WRONG.

the deaths are going up at a SLOWER rate than the positive tests/infections. The deaths are numerator, the positive tests are the denominator. The bottom number is rising FASTER than the top number. Period. Math skillz are guud, try learning some.

Not only that but the best available estimates are that we miss approx 6 infections for each positive test. That means the death rate is actually 1/7 of what the official numbers are saying. I have no idea why "facts matter" was so patient with you, you're clearly beyond obtuse.[/quote]

Oops my quoting got screwed up in the previous post.

Vancomycin wrote:

Oops my quoting got screwed up in the previous post.

Perfect, it now matches your logic.

Ahh when they respond to typographical errors instead of my argument.

No better feeling.

Adding another WIN to my column here folks.

140 people in the US died yesterday from coronavirus. So that is 980 on a weekly basis. So it has now reached parity with the flu.

Guess people will have to adopt some other line of argument now.

Surely Facts Matter will address this logical fallacy in his argument...

moderates suck wrote:

140 people in the US died yesterday from coronavirus. So that is 980 on a weekly basis. So it has now reached parity with the flu.

Guess people will have to adopt some other line of argument now.

Are their any specifics on those 140 people?

What were the numbers that dies from the flu yesterday?

Are any of these numbers starting to get lumped together?

Hard to get concrete details right now.

Allen53 wrote:

Are their any specifics on those 140 people?

What were the numbers that dies from the flu yesterday?

Are any of these numbers starting to get lumped together?

Hard to get concrete details right now.

There aren't details up for yesterday at this time. Here are some details from the day before, when only 111 died. The flu numbers were not provided by me. There is no reason to suspect that those numbers are getting lumped in together.

9359 new cases and 111 new deaths in the United States

New deaths and cases include:

4 new deaths and 590 new cases in New Jersey [source]

6 new deaths in Georgia [source]

4 new deaths in California: including the 1st death in Monterey County (an adult with an underlying health condition) [source]

4 new deaths in Louisiana (the other 2 mentioned in the report have been already counted in yesterday's totals for the state): an 83-year-old Orleans Parish resident, a 50-year-old Orleans resident, a 77-year-old Jefferson Parish resident and a 90-year-old Orleans Parish resident. All aside from the 83-year-old individual had underlying medical conditions [source]

3 new deaths in Michigan: a 52-year-old man with underlying health conditions [source], the first death in West Michigan: a man in his 70s [source] and an 90-year-old woman [source]

1 new death in Florida

1 new death in Colorado [source]

1 new death in Virginia, the 1st in Fairfax County: a man in his 60s who acquired COVID-19 through contact with a previously reported case [source]

1 new death in Indiana [source]

1 new death in Kentucky: a 67-year-old man from Anderson County with underlying health conditions [source]

1 new death in Kansas. Health officials have ordered Kansas City-area residents to stay at home for 30 days, starting Tuesday [source]

S,o you take 1 days worth of data and multiply it by 7 and that's your evidence that it's reached parity with flu deaths. Thanks for being the first to admit that it has not been equal to the flu, however, one point on a graph does not show a trend. And were it to even happen for 2 days, that's not 7 days. And were it to happen for 7 days, it would need to happen for 24 weeks to catch the flu, which BTW is constantly rising. Come back when you have actual data and not ridiculous projections of 140 X 7= 980. And lets be clear on what my position is if you want to challenge me on it.

23,000 flu deaths is still more than 600, and that's more likely above 24,000 now because the CDC weekly flu report releases on Fridays and lags a week behind. The last data is for 3/14 so there are 10 days not counted in the 23,000.

Please bring facts, not 3rd grade logic.

One days worth of data? You're a lying sack of crap. No one is that stupid unless they're being paid to be that stupid.

We have 3 months worth of data now, and what we see is the number of deaths rising EXPONENTIALLY. Just like we've seen in other countries around the world. Do we see exponential growth in flue deaths? No, not in the least.

Spreading disinformation that kills people during a national emergency is an act of treason.

Trump states he wants everything back to normal by Easter. The hospitals will be overwhelmed and the number of deaths will rise to numbers that no one will want to believe. Imagine a little country like Italy having an average 500-600 deaths per day for the past 10 days.

There will be 100,000 cases by Sunday in the USA and it isn't going to be pretty.

Stay safe and hopefully you have your facts straight.

trumpedthevirus wrote:

There will be 100,000 cases by Sunday in the USA and it isn't going to be pretty.

Stay safe and hopefully you have your facts straight.

Sunday assumes there is no growth in the rate of new cases. I don't think it will take that long. Probably Friday. Although a lot of places have stopped a lot of testing.

not my real name wrote:

No sh** it's not broad scale. Hence why we're missing so many positives.

Would you say the true CFR is closer to what is being reported or to what I stated is most likely the true rate? You know damn well it's not anywhere close to as high as being reported, although I have no idea why you're trying to push that viewpoint...

Harambe wrote:

CFR estimates in the USA are challenging given

1) testing isn't broad scale

2) during the exponential phase many more patients are sick in the hospital than dead or recovered

You're not any more informed/clever than others in this thread

I'm not the one who made a claim about CFRs.

I'm trying to prevent people with limited math skills from polluting these threads. Please respect my wishes and stop posting.