Realistically how long does the country need to be in 'lockdown' for?

Well since we don't test, we won't know when the numbers are down to come out of hiding. Doh.

HL, Rojo, whatever your name is. Why dont you do some research on the history of influenza pandemics.

Hardloper wrote:

I don't see how we'll be in a better place 15 days from now. Known cases and deaths will lag actions taken so I expect those to keep doubling every 3-5 days. If we stay in lockdown mode we could stop the spread of the virus, but then if we go back to normal we'll just be susceptible to another outbreak because it won't be eradicated worldwide. We won't gain any kind of 'herd immunity' at this rate either (assuming that's even possible). I guess we're stuck in lockdown/extreme social distancing until there's a cure or until it slowly spreads throughout the population which could take years?

real info wrote:

zoomx83 wrote:

We don't understand this enough, so there's no choice now.

We should have had older people hide away, but we didn't. EVERYONE (90 percent easy) has been exposed to this, but not everyone has it. That's why we're doing what we're doing. It's sort of a do-over.

If we had not done this, we could have lost hundreds of thousands, or millions of people. Mostly older people. Think that one over a moment.

Two weeks, tops. If it slows down, we can ramp up a bit. If it doesn't, it doesn't matter. People will die, big time.

Testing in South Korea has found that this is not the case. Population exposure was around 0.5%, not the 90% you estimate. Please stop repeating this untrue information, which leads people to make faulty and potentially life-threatening decisions.

Where are you getting that 0.5% number and how is it being calculated? What is the exposure rate a measure of: % tested infected out of tested whole?

Well, according to a recent Reuters article, of 290,000 tested in South Korea, 8,000 were found to be infected. That's not 0.5%. Its closer to 3%, but its also definitely not 90% either.

zoomx83 wrote:

Mort McMurray wrote:

I don't think that you really want anyone thinking over what you're saying for a moment. You're a moran, and you're way more susceptible to propaganda than any illness.

Or, maybe you're the one being manipulated?

Those dying are over 50, 60, 70, and 80 in increasing double-digit numbers. Every other age group is a fraction.

Personally, I'm for the herd immunity concept. I will lose no sleep if we start losing thousands of older people. EVEN when I'm in that age group. I like my chances.

Well I don't want my grandparents to die so have fun liking your chances

ThisVirusIsFAKE wrote:

This is so f*cking stupid. According to the CDC only 75 people have died in the US -- in 2 months. The government locked down my city for no f*cking reason. No one in my entire state has died. I don't know a single person who is even sick.

This is so blatantly a government psy-op. It's pathetic.

well 75 more people died since you posted this....you see a pattern?

what took 2 months is now happening in 2 day.....now extrapolate that out 2 months from now...

I think that this will come to a conclusion sooner than people seem to think. There are promising human trials ongoing in here in Japan on a few different antivirals that are already approved here for use to fight other viruses. I work in this sector, and my contacts say they are looking at government approval for use against COVID-19 in late April / early May. Japan already has a stockpile of one of the most promising drugs, and is coordinating with Chinese pharma manufactures to ramp up production. I believe that this will bridge the gap until we get a vaccine.

It amazes me how people still don’t get exponential growth after 2 months of everyone explaining it. It does not matter if a country has had 1 death, 100 or 1000 if it’s growing fast.

If each infectee gives it to 2-3 others, it will spread throughout most of the population like wildfire and destroy health care and whole societies, this summer.

If each infectee gives it to 1.1 people, it will spread eventually and become endemic, with many deaths, but we may have time to ramp up to cope better and develop vaccines.

If each infectee gives it to 0.9 people, now we are distancing better, it will peak within a month and start to fall. And we’ll be able to chase the odd little pockets of virus around until it is gone. They have got infection to ZERO in Cremona, the Italian epicentre, by testing everyone.

So, what measures bring that number down? Distancing. Honestly, folks doing it right are getting about 10% of the contact time they were in normal life beforehand. If everyone is sensible, those who can work from home or just stop working, and we don’t line up for hours at checkouts in crowds, we’re there. Give everyone a universal basic income so the non-essential workers can sit it out at home, non-essential companies can ‘pause’ without going under, and we’ll be able to gradually resume normality in a couple of months time.

Once growth turns to decline, the authorities can test, isolate, trace and treat. But they can do that way sooner with 100k infected than with a million. So every day counts and saves lives.

I have a hunch the cleanup phase may well come about fastest in the wealthy world with apps to self-report if you have got it, not yet got it, or had it, and test kits you can order off Amazon Prime next day, without waiting for the government.

If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.

4 pages deep and we finally have someone with some common sense on this thread

I'm glad America is a relatively free country, but this is when it doesn't help. Do I like communism, not really, but many American's are so stubborn, don't like to be told to do something, and aren't taking this seriously. More aggressive tactics such as lockdowns need to happen.

The longer we refuse to take cation, the longer this is going to last and it's going to cost the economy. The same American's will be upset when they realize how much it's impacted them especially if a family member gets infected or worse dies. Imagine being a family that its poverty and now has to deal with this?

It's crucial we wait this out until a vaccine is approved and readily available in the united states. If the 20% of those infected need hospitalization and that number exceeds our medical support, we'll have a real problem on our hand. Will this go away completely? Probably not, but we can at least suppress it's effect on our country.

The problem is several trolls post silly things over and over on all the threads, trying to suppress discussion. I don't know if they're actually Russian trolls, or simply fortuitously aligned along the axis Russia wants (promote hate and stupidity among Americans).

"Bro, it's flu" sounds like ignorant Americanism, but probably is thematic of the troll attack in actuality.

Florida looking like it has a lot more fevers than expected right now:

https://healthweather.us/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/health/coronavirus-fever-thermometers.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimesscience

ThisVirusIsFAKE wrote:

This is so f*cking stupid. According to the CDC only 75 people have died in the US -- in 2 months. The government locked down my city for no f*cking reason. No one in my entire state has died. I don't know a single person who is even sick.

This is so blatantly a government psy-op. It's pathetic.

Full stop to stuff like this. The US is now close to 10,000 reported cases, 150+ deaths, of something that doesn't have a vaccine. Social distancing is the only thing we can do to try to flatten the curve to ensure that we have the resources to treat our sick and that hospitals aren't overcrowded. This isn't about you -- it's about all of us. You might not get it, you might get it and be totally fine, but it's about not spreading it to vulnerable populations. Just stay inside for a little while, you can still go get a run in. Chill & listen to medical professionals.

Ha!...too funny! The last time I listened to the medical professionals my late wife of 18 yrs died in 2015 from medical drug-induced renal & pancreatic failure! Try raising kids who yearn for the mother every day. We trusted the medical professionals because we, as a society, are mind-controlled to believe someone who treats symptoms of diseases & ailments only with pharmaceuticals. Never again will I trust them....never.

High school cc coach nailed it

I can't say for certain, but I have a feeling a LOT of us have already had it but weren't aware. In late Feb I experienced a sudden, unexplainable drop in performance on my runs, and just couldn't recover. Ended up taking 5 days off and felt extremely achy the whole time. After the 5 days I went back to training as usual and feel 100% fit.

At the time I shrugged it off but it seems more and more like I may have had Corona. It certainly sounds like it.

What I'm trying to say is, if I weren't a runner, I wouldn't have even known I had it as the symptoms were so mild.

Bloviating with liberal speaking point of the day. Please keep repeating this over and over again

NERunner053 wrote:

The US is now close to 10,000 reported cases, 150+ deaths, of something that doesn't have a vaccine.

Do you prefer to have something that has 45,000,000 cases and 61,000 deaths per year even though we have a vaccine? If so, it's called influenza.

The same Russian bots that failed to help Hillary win even after she sold so much of our uranium to them?

Two months at least. China had their first day of no new local infections for the first time in a couple months. So three months to at least maybe have our heads starting to break the surface of this thing.