Now that Bloomberg is done (Elizabeth Warren DESTROYED him last night), who will win Dem primary?

I miss those fall days on the quad at U Vermont, stoned to the gills, playing frisbie and hackey sack and thinking about the years ahead as a Bernie cabinet member.

Oh, yeah, and acid at the Phish concertS with my hairy-legged hippie trust fund GF.

Them were the days.

Well put. Agree completely

That's some interesting math you're doing there. It's not quite how it works, but you go with it.

Let's pare the field down to Bernie and one moderate Dem. I'm guessing Bernie wouldn't look so good.

land of enchantment wrote:

Let's pare the field down to Bernie and one moderate Dem. I'm guessing Bernie wouldn't look so good.

I'm game. Let's do that right now. The sooner the better.

I agree.

BTW, you haven't addressed why Russia supports Bernie?

T. Paine wrote:

We're talking about the nomination here, not the Presidential election yet.

which is not a direct election either. Convention delegates are selected on a regional basis. You can win big in one congressional district, but lose by a little in enough other districts to end up with a popular vote win and fewer delegates.

Those delegates, for their part, are chosen at state nominating conventions which very few people actually attend. And when they get to the convention, if it gets past the first ballot, how they vote in subsequent rounds has no relation to what the voters in their state want - they're on their own.

There's always someone going off in the middle of the game about how the rules should have been different. Say that when it counts, not when it's too late.

T. Paine wrote:

How is it a meme believing that the person with the most votes should be the winner? I thought we live in America, a bastion of democracy.

Party primaries have nothing to do with American democracy. Political parties are no where to be found in the constitution. Actually George Washington said the formation of political parties would be the downfall of the nation.

Back then whomever finished second in the general election became the Vice President. Could you imagine if Hillary was Trump’s Vice President? It might actually be a good thing. Then politicians would actually try to work together and not be so divisive.

land of enchantment wrote:

I agree.

BTW, you haven't addressed why Russia supports Bernie?

Maybe they think he is less likely to try and start an expensive and pointless conflict with them. Bernie is a non-interventionlist. He's one of the few that voted against the Iraq war. Trump ran on being an interventionlist. I'm sure this plays a role.

Hobbie McJoggerson wrote:

land of enchantment wrote:

I agree.

BTW, you haven't addressed why Russia supports Bernie?

Maybe they think he is less likely to try and start an expensive and pointless conflict with them. Bernie is a non-interventionlist. He's one of the few that voted against the Iraq war. Trump ran on being an interventionlist. I'm sure this plays a role.

Should say, "Trump ran on being a non-interventionlist."

land of enchantment wrote:

I agree.

BTW, you haven't addressed why Russia supports Bernie?

It's hard to apply a motive to why Russia is interfering. It could be several things.

#1 - they could think Bernie is a weak candidate and want him to go up against Trump

#2 - they could know that propping Bernie up will lead to division in the Democratic party between Bernie and the moderates, and overall, that will help Trump

#3 - they could see Bernie's strong online support and see it as an easy opportunity to apply their bots and online misinformation

#4 - they could like Bernie. When I say "like" Bernie, they could like how his policies might affect Russia, or think he is weak, or any number of things.

#5 - this ties into others, but they could think anti-establishment candidates in America are better for Russia

UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:

land of enchantment wrote:

I agree.

BTW, you haven't addressed why Russia supports Bernie?

It's hard to apply a motive to why Russia is interfering. It could be several things.

#1 - they could think Bernie is a weak candidate and want him to go up against Trump

#2 - they could know that propping Bernie up will lead to division in the Democratic party between Bernie and the moderates, and overall, that will help Trump

#3 - they could see Bernie's strong online support and see it as an easy opportunity to apply their bots and online misinformation

#4 - they could like Bernie. When I say "like" Bernie, they could like how his policies might affect Russia, or think he is weak, or any number of things.

#5 - this ties into others, but they could think anti-establishment candidates in America are better for Russia

#6- Russia used to be the USSR, it would be their ultimate revenge if a communist took over the White House.

land of enchantment wrote:

I agree.

BTW, you haven't addressed why Russia supports Bernie?

It does not matter who Russia supports.

The real question is who does Israel support.

Bloomberg is going to win.

Elections in the USA are bought. Whoever has the most money wins. That's all there is to it. Bloomberg is already buying up all the staffers from the other candidates, offering 150-200% above market rate. He is going to get all the talent for running a good campaign, and have the cash for all the advertising required.

UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:

land of enchantment wrote:

I agree.

BTW, you haven't addressed why Russia supports Bernie?

It's hard to apply a motive to why Russia is interfering. It could be several things.

#1 - they could think Bernie is a weak candidate and want him to go up against Trump

#2 - they could know that propping Bernie up will lead to division in the Democratic party between Bernie and the moderates, and overall, that will help Trump

#3 - they could see Bernie's strong online support and see it as an easy opportunity to apply their bots and online misinformation

#4 - they could like Bernie. When I say "like" Bernie, they could like how his policies might affect Russia, or think he is weak, or any number of things.

#5 - this ties into others, but they could think anti-establishment candidates in America are better for Russia

It's not really that hard, and I think it's more like "all of the above". First, they see what every rational person sees (i.e. those that aren't caught up in the Bernie hysteria), which is that Trump would have an easy time defeating Sanders. They want Trump to be re-elected, so they want him to go up against the easiest candidate. Second, if by chance Sanders does beat Trump, they also know he's probably going to be more inward focused on economic/social stuff in the U.S. and less on whatever nonsense Russia is doing abroad to distract its people from how shitty their country is.

Putin is the antithesis of Marxist/Leninist values. Putin is a Fascist dictator. Putin has stolen at least 50% of the wealth of Russia. trump kisses Putin's a s s because Putin has dirt on trump (besides video tapes). trump has been laundering money for Russia in NY & Florida real estate. trump wants to do business in Russia. Putin & Russian secret police are attempting to cause chaos in Sanders' Campaign. It is not helping.

JoggyHobber wrote:

Who cares all of them are complete clowns. Anyone who wants the country to continue thriving will vote for Trump not these guys who will wreck our economy and flood us with illegal immigrants.

Imagine thinking that immigrants are a bad thing for the most diverse nation in the world.

Also, imagine thinking the economy is fixed at the moment under Trump.

Russia supports Bernie because it practically guarantees 4 more years of Trump, period. Bernie's chances of winning key battleground states are slim to none. With Bernie as the Dem candidate, the Senate will not turn blue and the House could flip back to the GOP.

Trump knows this. Look at his tweets. Why did Trump ask registered Republicans to vote for Bernie in the SC primary?!

FFS, Bernie Bros need to wake up. He's a disaster. The WH, Senate, and House could all be Red next January because of Bernie. Putin is licking his chops once again.

skewed data wrote:

trump kisses Putin's a s s because Putin has dirt on trump (besides video tapes). trump has been laundering money for Russia in NY & Florida real estate. trump wants to do business in Russia. Putin & Russian secret police are attempting to cause chaos in Sanders' Campaign. It is not helping.

If Bernie gets elected, I hope his AG will go after this money laundering stuff very aggressively. That will put Trump behind bars for good, and strip all the wealth from his family. It will be a huge damage to Russia as well, even if we cannot prosecute any Russian.

land of enchantment wrote:

Russia supports Bernie because it practically guarantees 4 more years of Trump, period. Bernie's chances of winning key battleground states are slim to none. With Bernie as the Dem candidate, the Senate will not turn blue and the House could flip back to the GOP.

Trump knows this. Look at his tweets. Why did Trump ask registered Republicans to vote for Bernie in the SC primary?!

FFS, Bernie Bros need to wake up. He's a disaster. The WH, Senate, and House could all be Red next January because of Bernie. Putin is licking his chops once again.

he speaks truth. if bernie wins, it's 4 more years of orange julius.