This workout at 2:08 pace (4:53/M) is considerably harder than at 2:11 pace, which is 5:00/M.
This workout at 2:08 pace (4:53/M) is considerably harder than at 2:11 pace, which is 5:00/M.
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What I'm more impressed by is the fact that he did this workout 3 days after a 31.2 mile run at 5:33 pace at nearly 7000' of altitude with 1788' gain. Drop this to sea level and a flat course, give him a taper, and he's going to run stupid fast. Fast enough to make the team? No, but he should have a top 10 finish.
comedyrelief wrote:
I would focus less on his workouts and more on his results. In his latest half marathon he finished between two guys that are ranked 15th and 17th respectively in the US in the marathon. What you have to convince others of is why he will displace all those guys that have run faster and whose focus is the marathon and not ultras.
I agree. Jim is not an experienced road marathoner. I don’t think his fans are giving the road marathon sufficient respect. There is a big learning curve, even for an experienced ultra trail runner like Jim. I think anything in the top 20 would be a very good result for him.
Ultra > Marathon wrote:
He's gonna do it. Change my mind.
He definitely is going to do it , Then I’m going to laugh and laugh at the so-called experts . What fools they are
other options wrote:
comedyrelief wrote:
I would focus less on his workouts and more on his results. In his latest half marathon he finished between two guys that are ranked 15th and 17th respectively in the US in the marathon. What you have to convince others of is why he will displace all those guys that have run faster and whose focus is the marathon and not ultras.
My wife ran a 91 HM then went on to run a 2:58 marathon. People she runs with can beat her in every distance until they hit the marathon. In the marathon...it is not the fastest runner that always wins...it is the runner that slows down the least. I am sure the Walmsley fans are just saying...he has enough speed when combined with his proclivity for endurance that he is in the fight. My wife’s fastest 2 HMs are inside her fastest marathon.
Walmsley is a fellow human being and will slow down from his half to full marathon pace at the same rate as the top marathoners. Unless he was running a tempo in his recent HM, you can predict his marathon time using the performance calculators just like everyone else.
Pronosticator wrote:
After Jim wins the trials the haters will be like ," name one top African he can beat on the roads, trail runners suck".
If he craters, you ultra fans will be, like, " The sun was in eyes".
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subelite hobbyjogger wrote:
comedyrelief wrote:
I would focus less on his workouts and more on his results. In his latest half marathon he finished between two guys that are ranked 15th and 17th respectively in the US in the marathon. What you have to convince others of is why he will displace all those guys that have run faster and whose focus is the marathon and not ultras.
I agree. Jim is not an experienced road marathoner. I don’t think his fans are giving the road marathon sufficient respect. There is a big learning curve, even for an experienced ultra trail runner like Jim. I think anything in the top 20 would be a very good result for him.
Probably blowing this whole road marathon mystique thing out of proportion. WTF , it's running not rocket science.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
other options wrote:
My wife ran a 91 HM then went on to run a 2:58 marathon. People she runs with can beat her in every distance until they hit the marathon. In the marathon...it is not the fastest runner that always wins...it is the runner that slows down the least. I am sure the Walmsley fans are just saying...he has enough speed when combined with his proclivity for endurance that he is in the fight. My wife’s fastest 2 HMs are inside her fastest marathon.
Walmsley is a fellow human being and will slow down from his half to full marathon pace at the same rate as the top marathoners. Unless he was running a tempo in his recent HM, you can predict his marathon time using the performance calculators just like everyone else.
Boy I am really not looking to the conversation with my wife where I have to tell her she is not a fellow human being. Performance calculators are statistical norms. They are good. But humans are not robots...we don’t all fit statistical norms. Under a Gaussian or Normal Distribution 68% of us will fit within 1 standard deviation of the median. 95% fall within 2 standard deviations. Believe this or not...some of our fellow human beings are out on the tails.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Pronosticator wrote:
After Jim wins the trials the haters will be like ," name one top African he can beat on the roads, trail runners suck".
If he craters, you ultra fans will be, like, " The sun was in eyes".
Im just really excited to see the trail/ultra scene represented in the trials. Plus Jim is the strongest hill runner in the lot. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. 1000 feet of vertical is a lot and will certainly be a major factor for the race plays out.
It will certainly be a race that will be talked about for some time.
I just hope he tapers!!!
other options wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Walmsley is a fellow human being and will slow down from his half to full marathon pace at the same rate as the top marathoners. Unless he was running a tempo in his recent HM, you can predict his marathon time using the performance calculators just like everyone else.
Boy I am really not looking to the conversation with my wife where I have to tell her she is not a fellow human being. Performance calculators are statistical norms. They are good. But humans are not robots...we don’t all fit statistical norms. Under a Gaussian or Normal Distribution 68% of us will fit within 1 standard deviation of the median. 95% fall within 2 standard deviations. Believe this or not...some of our fellow human beings are out on the tails.
Right. Your wife's running experiences can be used to evaluate America's best marathoners. I'm sure your, though, that your wife is a human being and a nice person.
When people train to reach their maximum performance, the slopes of their pace from 10000 to the marathon are very close to exactly parallel. From the marathon to the 100-miler, not so much.
The people who claim that there is all this mystique to the marathon are probably the same as those who say some toothpick from road running, the ones with the paper thin ankles and knees the same size as their wrists, , could go out and dominate UTMB on a cycle of specific training.
+1
reed wrote:
Let’s just take all the GPS watches of all Trials qualifiers and see who’s “vo2max prediction” is higher
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He has mind blowing recoveries! 50km Long Run very fast and very close to his half marathon 21km at 1:02 race in Phoenex, but also during high km weeks. And now this 5 x 5km. HOW DOES HE RECOVER SO FAST?
Collin wrote:
What I'm more impressed by is the fact that he did this workout 3 days after a 31.2 mile run at 5:33 pace at nearly 7000' of altitude with 1788' gain. Drop this to sea level and a flat course, give him a taper, and he's going to run stupid fast. Fast enough to make the team? No, but he should have a top 10 finish.
He recovers the same way as any other elite athlete. People seem to think that Jim is the only one who trains hard. They are all killing themselves in training regularly.
Here's some of Zane Robertson's training. More impressive than anything Jim has done imo
Tmirror wrote:
He has mind blowing recoveries! 50km Long Run very fast and very close to his half marathon 21km at 1:02 race in Phoenex, but also during high km weeks. And now this 5 x 5km.
HOW DOES HE RECOVER SO FAST?
Collin wrote:
What I'm more impressed by is the fact that he did this workout 3 days after a 31.2 mile run at 5:33 pace at nearly 7000' of altitude with 1788' gain. Drop this to sea level and a flat course, give him a taper, and he's going to run stupid fast. Fast enough to make the team? No, but he should have a top 10 finish.
A incredible training block like he is having right now, clean come race. Hmmmmm.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Kind of a stupid workout. Repeat miles would be much better. I've never heard of an elite runner doing 5×5K.
Is this person serious? Lol