OP this song is for you:
OP this song is for you:
Absolutely not. Don't take that type of job. There's so many wonderful opportunities in the world not like that at all. Get out of the American mindset it's a trap
Or it's a scam because the world's wealthy are hording hundreds of billions of dollars at the expensive of paying their workers shitty wages.
You bought the lie.
Again another lie you've bought into. Do you really think successful people think oh yeah Life is hard it sucks just deal with it keep working? That's exactly the mindset keeping you Ina. 40h/week job like a slave. Not thriving.
Life absolutely does not need to be hard..by accepting that you're already lowerinf your bar of life or your expectations of what you can achieve
Poverty and homelessness is a pretty good motivation for most.
Renewed Marathoner wrote:
Or it's a scam because the world's wealthy are hording hundreds of billions of dollars at the expensive of paying their workers shitty wages.
You bought the lie.
Not everyone can be the boss. I have employees that come and go who have absolutely no potential to be on top. Some are just not capable. That is ok. When you pull up to a store you can't expect that all of the employees are making large salaries? You would not shop there because their products would cost too much. They would not be around long and that is how it works.
I also have employees that are hard working and loyal but never want a larger responsibility than what they have. I compensate them well for what they but I am not going to "give up the store" either.
One thing I have noticed with 18-25 year old kids is that most of them are convinced they are going to be rich or famous and maybe both. I had one employee that was convinced he would be a famous stand up comedian. He never said anything remotely funny and he was not very bright either. The dream misdirected him and last I heard 5 years later he is unemployed. He was living a different lie then you speak of and one far more damaging. By now he would have been earning a decent wage with benefits working for me.
It's very difficult to find employees in this age group that will show up to work consistently and work hard. It is getting more difficult every year to find decent employees.
If you want to buy and live out of a mini-van and work odd jobs around the country go for it. I say that is a cool thing. Whatever does it for you. But, don't go to work for someone expecting to make six figures right out of college.
For context, I am 50. I own a company that I founded. It took a tremendous effort for 10 years to get it stable. The early years were rough. It was extremely risky and without a strong work ethic I would have gone out of business. We were dirt poor from 2007-2011 when the economy was stuck in the mud. It has been operating on a high level since then and I am finally on cruise control for the time being. I am always ready to roll up my sleeves again when things get tough because I know they will. In the meantime, I am traveling the world and enjoying my family. I have earned that. I pay myself well because I am taking on the most risk.
Most business owners are like me. We are not billionaires and we value our hard working employees in which we pay a fair wage for the work they are doing when they are punched in.
The majority of successful people unless heavily supported by their rich families are not going to get very far without putting in an effort. Those who are not privileged with wealth or the mental capacity to start a business can get somewhere by working hard. They can lead a satisfying happy life if they take pride in what they do and value their free time which 40 hours a week will allow for.
wageslave4life wrote:
It just boggles me. I'm a 22 year old university student currently enrolled in a co-op position at a bank, and I just can't imagine having to spend the next 40 years of my life doing monotonous work for a lousy paycheck.
Is this what life is all about? Work, go home, watch some tv, sleep, and repeat? There's got to be more.
Every human being in world history born before 1960 would be stunned to hear you complain about this. 40 hours a week? lol. Come one. Grow a pair. That isn't hard. Seriously. And don't kid me that you actually work 40 hours a week. You get holidays and PTO. I bet it's low 30s at most. It seriously is not hard.
40 years? Given your age think at least 50.
It's your choice of how to spend your life. Who does ask for you to work 40hours a week? Everything in our hands. You can have a job-hobby if you want. I don't have a usual job, I earn money by betting on sports sitting at home. Well, maybe it's not for everyone, but if you have good experience in some sport or sports observation, why not? If someone has interested in sports betting, learn information about that here https://1xbetportugal.org/.
These walls are kind of funny. First you hate ’em, then you get used to ’em. Enough time passes, gets so you depend on them. That’s institutionalized. They send you here for life, that’s exactly what they take. The part that counts, anyways.
Being 22, you may want to delay full time work.
Take a part time job. Stay with your parents for a few years.
Keep running while you are at your peak ability.
Or do something that interests you.
Like you said, you'll be working for the rest of your life pretty much why rush into it?
In the USA, taking a few years off isn't well seen. It's a lot of societal pressure to deal with. When some of your college friends start to get a raise, get married, having kids etc. and you're not "in the game", it can be hard to deal with.
...and then pay taxes on top of that.
Retire in 40 years ? You're crazy lool ..
Anyone under the age of 30 years old today, and who will stay in the middle class all his life, won't be able to retire before 80 years old if not ever.
The only way to retire before will be if you earn a lot of money, but there's no way the middle class will have a retirement pension.
join the crowd wrote:
Renewed Marathoner wrote:
Or it's a scam because the world's wealthy are hording hundreds of billions of dollars at the expensive of paying their workers shitty wages.
You bought the lie.
Not everyone can be the boss. I have employees that come and go who have absolutely no potential to be on top. Some are just not capable. That is ok. When you pull up to a store you can't expect that all of the employees are making large salaries? You would not shop there because their products would cost too much. They would not be around long and that is how it works.
I also have employees that are hard working and loyal but never want a larger responsibility than what they have. I compensate them well for what they but I am not going to "give up the store" either.
One thing I have noticed with 18-25 year old kids is that most of them are convinced they are going to be rich or famous and maybe both. I had one employee that was convinced he would be a famous stand up comedian. He never said anything remotely funny and he was not very bright either. The dream misdirected him and last I heard 5 years later he is unemployed. He was living a different lie then you speak of and one far more damaging. By now he would have been earning a decent wage with benefits working for me.
It's very difficult to find employees in this age group that will show up to work consistently and work hard. It is getting more difficult every year to find decent employees.
If you want to buy and live out of a mini-van and work odd jobs around the country go for it. I say that is a cool thing. Whatever does it for you. But, don't go to work for someone expecting to make six figures right out of college.
For context, I am 50. I own a company that I founded. It took a tremendous effort for 10 years to get it stable. The early years were rough. It was extremely risky and without a strong work ethic I would have gone out of business. We were dirt poor from 2007-2011 when the economy was stuck in the mud. It has been operating on a high level since then and I am finally on cruise control for the time being. I am always ready to roll up my sleeves again when things get tough because I know they will. In the meantime, I am traveling the world and enjoying my family. I have earned that. I pay myself well because I am taking on the most risk.
Most business owners are like me. We are not billionaires and we value our hard working employees in which we pay a fair wage for the work they are doing when they are punched in.
The majority of successful people unless heavily supported by their rich families are not going to get very far without putting in an effort. Those who are not privileged with wealth or the mental capacity to start a business can get somewhere by working hard. They can lead a satisfying happy life if they take pride in what they do and value their free time which 40 hours a week will allow for.
In an economic system, capitalism, that deprives people of meaning because of its inherent drive to turn everyone into individuals and everything into commodities, one can go out on their own and build something. But there is a cost to producing this and it is usually paid through the exploitation of others.
In addition to the practical tips people have given for making life in today's society less of a soul-sucking, burdensome grind, it may help to realize where our society is on the timeline of the birth, growth, and decline of civilizations.
Read a classic like historian Joseph Tainter's "The Collapse of Complex Societies" and you'll realize we are in the decline stage of modern Western civilization. Tainter's main thesis is that as societies get bigger and bigger and bigger, they inevitably get more and more complex to solve the problems that their size generates. But every solution breeds new problems, and eventually the increasingly complex morass eventually reaches diminishing returns, then negative returns, and begins to collapse under its own weight. It eventually happens to all large civilizations that overreach. How "high-tech" a society is, like ours is, doesn't affect that.
The meaning of life *isn't* that our lives should be defined by soul-sucking work. But in a super-complex society like ours getting increasingly so, it eventually becomes a grind just to keep the whole thing going. And that's reflected in most people's work lives, unfortunately. The best ways out of the trap for individuals is to find ways around the system itself.
Somebody mentioned that most people who are wealthy, in so many words, buy their way around society's enforcement of all the rules, which are basically "complexity" in one of its many guises. But there can be other less-corrupt ways of doing it. Reducing one's needs, simplifying your life as much as possible so you don't need to partake so much in the work-grind to keep an overly busy, overly complex life going is another way. But few can escape it entirely. It's a game of mitigation at this stage of modern civilization.
Kvothe wrote:
thinkaboutittt wrote:
If you're smart you don't have to work 40hrs per week...
Find a way to support yourself that doesn't require such a huge and seemingly never ending commitment of your time. Then, if you do hustle and/or want to work more it's on your own terms.
If you think about it 9/10 jobs that require you to work 40hra per week you're typically just making someone else richer and squandering your own potential.
I get tired of hearing about people's hustles, schemes, and scams. Its almost always the least qualified members of society who have these plans like getting into renting a bunch of houses, stocks, bitcoins, etc. They'd be doing these things, not working a 40 hour week with me if they had the know how and drive to do these things already.
Owning rental property and investing in the stock market are not hustles schemes and scams.
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wageslave4life wrote:
It just boggles me. I'm a 22 year old university student currently enrolled in a co-op position at a bank, and I just can't imagine having to spend the next 40 years of my life doing monotonous work for a lousy paycheck.
Is this what life is all about? Work, go home, watch some tv, sleep, and repeat? There's got to be more.
Marriage? Family? Kids? Passions/interests/ hobbies? Career?
I sort of understand where you are coming from but the ability to even be able to ask that question is a luxury. Life used to be much more simple and solely about survival. Now, if you’re fortunate to live in a wealthy society you have time to ponder things and ask questions like yours.
In my opinion, enjoying life (at least sometimes) and doing a job that makes a positive impact on the world / individuals (at least sometimes) gives me meaning and purpose. Part of life is suffering and frustration—you must learn to accept that. But, it’s not always that way—there are also peak experiences that make the suffering with it.
I’ve got kids, I am married, work as a physician, and—of course simply based on the fact that I am posting here—I am a runner. These things all represent joy and suffering to me in life. That is enough purpose for me.
+1
Read the Myth of Sisyphus you Millennial whiner and be thankful you didn't have to defend your country in a war.
(Drops mic, walks off stage)
Runner10287 wrote:
join the crowd wrote:
Not everyone can be the boss. I have employees that come and go who have absolutely no potential to be on top. Some are just not capable. That is ok. When you pull up to a store you can't expect that all of the employees are making large salaries? You would not shop there because their products would cost too much. They would not be around long and that is how it works.
I also have employees that are hard working and loyal but never want a larger responsibility than what they have. I compensate them well for what they but I am not going to "give up the store" either.
One thing I have noticed with 18-25 year old kids is that most of them are convinced they are going to be rich or famous and maybe both. I had one employee that was convinced he would be a famous stand up comedian. He never said anything remotely funny and he was not very bright either. The dream misdirected him and last I heard 5 years later he is unemployed. He was living a different lie then you speak of and one far more damaging. By now he would have been earning a decent wage with benefits working for me.
It's very difficult to find employees in this age group that will show up to work consistently and work hard. It is getting more difficult every year to find decent employees.
If you want to buy and live out of a mini-van and work odd jobs around the country go for it. I say that is a cool thing. Whatever does it for you. But, don't go to work for someone expecting to make six figures right out of college.
For context, I am 50. I own a company that I founded. It took a tremendous effort for 10 years to get it stable. The early years were rough. It was extremely risky and without a strong work ethic I would have gone out of business. We were dirt poor from 2007-2011 when the economy was stuck in the mud. It has been operating on a high level since then and I am finally on cruise control for the time being. I am always ready to roll up my sleeves again when things get tough because I know they will. In the meantime, I am traveling the world and enjoying my family. I have earned that. I pay myself well because I am taking on the most risk.
Most business owners are like me. We are not billionaires and we value our hard working employees in which we pay a fair wage for the work they are doing when they are punched in.
The majority of successful people unless heavily supported by their rich families are not going to get very far without putting in an effort. Those who are not privileged with wealth or the mental capacity to start a business can get somewhere by working hard. They can lead a satisfying happy life if they take pride in what they do and value their free time which 40 hours a week will allow for.
In an economic system, capitalism, that deprives people of meaning because of its inherent drive to turn everyone into individuals and everything into commodities, one can go out on their own and build something. But there is a cost to producing this and it is usually paid through the exploitation of others.
So what system does not take advantage? If you say communism then name one communist state that does not take advantage of the population ?
If not, explain what you mean?