Update: The Kenyan athlete who jumped out window and over fence to escape drug testers has been banned

The entire 75+ page report on the events at Sabadell is available on Balla's CAS hearing under the AIU's Appeal Decisions link (click on the "outcome").

Mr. Dopkemboi Kipcheater wrote:

No, there isn't anyone. Since 1995, all of the best Kenyans (and Ethiopians) have been on drugs. The advantage brought by EPO was so big that clean athletes could not compete. (Several years ago, I demonstrated it on this forum, using graphs of annual mean times in distance races).

And I doubt that even the medal winners from Soul 1988 were clean because the sudden improvement of the Kenyan athletics was too suspicious.

Interesting. Perhaps you should post your graphs again so rekrunner can look at them - he claims the East African improvement/advantage is the result anything other than EPO.

I would wager he both assumed then concluded the advantage was brought by EPO.

VirtueSignaler wrote:

Youre all racists.

Remember, this is MLK Day.

You jest, but the fact the co-founder of this site started this thread and framed it the way he did is confirmation about how this place skews.

El Keniano wrote:

VirtueSignaler wrote:

Youre all racists.

Remember, this is MLK Day.

You jest, but the fact the co-founder of this site started this thread and framed it the way he did is confirmation about how this place skews.

Pardon my lack of sensitivity, but could you possibly rephrase the title and/or opening post of this thread in a more enlightened fashion? Thanks in advance for broadening my perspective.

Unfortunately, I don't think this is true regarding Aden being tried, as he has long since fled the country. It is difficult in Spain to have a trial without any presence of the accused. According to another thread currently on the front page, Farah and Geb's rift comes from Farah trying to get permission for Aden to stay in Geb's hotel for one of MO's training camps. The timeline suggests that this would be after Aden's bust with epo and anabolics. Wouldn't that in and of itself be a reason to suspend/sanction Farah? Or is it ok to associate with Aden because he had not yet been sanctioned himself at that time (because of fleeing to Bahrain to avoid a trial)?

Viking21 wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

You jest, but the fact the co-founder of this site started this thread and framed it the way he did is confirmation about how this place skews.

Pardon my lack of sensitivity, but could you possibly rephrase the title and/or opening post of this thread in a more enlightened fashion? Thanks in advance for broadening my perspective.

"Innocent athlete (who is genetically incapable of cheating) runs away from evil tester because of a conspiracy by white people thus proving once and for all the Brits are dopers."

That better Cleo?

Wow, interesting report on Balla and worth a cursory read. Seems the IAAF was the body that requested the spaniards to instigate the observation. Also, crazy to see the precautions that Aden and Balla took to dispose of needles, syringes, etc- i.e. disposing of different parts of the syringe into different bins, doubling back on themselves to make sure they weren't being followed.

Yaseer stated that room 210 (where 5 bottles of epo, depomedrol, and syringes were found) "was a general room for all athletes"- the athletes presumably at Aden's training camp.

No honor among thieves, either. Balla saying the drugs are Yaseer's...and Yaseer saying they are Balla's.

Mr. Dopkemboi Kipcheater wrote:

No, there isn't anyone. Since 1995, all of the best Kenyans (and Ethiopians) have been on drugs. The advantage brought by EPO was so big...

Oh yeah, only those dastardly Africans dope. 2:15:25, 1:41.73 are ok. But black people beat that and they are dopers. All of them!

Right...

For the befuddled, Stablemaster just conceded he’s in the Rift Valley for his own profit, rather than previously stated altruistic reasons, and in opposition to local interests. I politely assured him that I’m not a player or obstacle in whatever murk he’s involved.

trollism wrote:

Viking21 wrote:

Pardon my lack of sensitivity, but could you possibly rephrase the title and/or opening post of this thread in a more enlightened fashion? Thanks in advance for broadening my perspective.

"Innocent athlete (who is genetically incapable of cheating) runs away from evil tester because of a conspiracy by white people thus proving once and for all the Brits are dopers."

That better Cleo?

Now that's a fair and balanced headline!

Once again, Rojo’s post purposely leaves the impression that nothing is being done about this, implying that Kenyan authorities are trying to hide things by not releasing the offender’s name. It’s the kind of bias I’ve come to expect from here, on top of constant innuendos about Kenyans in general and I wish every Kenyan athlete and coach would take note and realise they have no friends anywhere in Western media, especially not at LetsRun.

Like most people, I need money to live on, however, you are so far off the mark about me making a profit out of Kenya. It's also clear you have no idea what's going on in Iten or Kenya. It would appear, I've rattled your cage. Interesting...

No. You accused me of something very specific and I responded. As for me “having no idea what’s going in Iten or Kenya”, guess again.

I stand by what I said. When the dust settles (and it will) people will take stock of which side everyone was on and, hopefully, the government can gently persuade your kind that Kenya might not be the best place for you. It will all be the best outcome for all.

hghj wrote:

Mr. Dopkemboi Kipcheater wrote:

No, there isn't anyone. Since 1995, all of the best Kenyans (and Ethiopians) have been on drugs. The advantage brought by EPO was so big...

Oh yeah, only those dastardly Africans dope. 2:15:25, 1:41.73 are ok. But black people beat that and they are dopers. All of them!

Right...

Hi ex-runner!

It's unfortunate you can't read English.

The poster did not say all Kenyans dope and no Westerners do.

He said (more or less) that all Kenyans dope.

Which is a very reasonable opinion given the extraordinary rate of doping busts in Kenya.

Get back to us when Brits or Australians are failing tests weekly and jumping out of windows to escape testers.

El Keniano wrote:

The Stablemaster wrote:

Haha. I'm going to be here for many more years. Lots of important work to do...

Mo Farah can’t go back to Ethiopia over a minor spat with Haile G, yet this person that’s working to bring down Kenyan athletics is allowed to stay un bothered. Why can’t Kenya gain some pride like Ethiopia? I seriously hope the locals come to their senses and a backlash changes your mind.

Stablemaster has offended El K not Paul Tergat. No one cares that you feel hurt that someone not of your native country wants to help clean up the sport. Do I care when you point out suspicious American sprinters? No because you are absolutely right. It's a travesty that guys like Gatlin, Gay, continue to compete. I'm not happy that people associated with NOP are getting a pass and seemingly not going to be investigated. I don't like it that a guy that I respect agreed to coach Galen Rupp and I take no pride in the medals we have won in the sprints when you take into account how dirty that discipline is in this country and elsewhere. If someone can help clean it up I don't care where they're from. Those medals are worthless and bring my country no glory if they seem suspicious. If you really cared about cleaning up the sport in your country you would want people from anywhere to help. You haven't said anything about Dr. Rosa here yet either. Come on man. Maybe because Renato is likely the most well respected living coach and he vouches for Rosa fiercely.

Okay, you seem slow to understand: What would you do if a Benard Lagat or Paul Chelimo said something along these lines? - 'When the USA gets banned from the Olympics, it will be a great day! I can't wait. By the way, I plan to be in America for many more years, it suits me.' You'd tell them to leave if they didn't like it, that's what. You already do that a lot in your politics.

My point is, this is a guy who has openly stated that he would prefer to see Kenya banned. He's no friend of Kenyan athletics. Being in Iten, he knows for a fact that the vast majority of Kenyan elites are doing it clean, yet he wants to ruin their livelihoods because according to him: "Kenyan athletes steal from others". Like that writer from the Irish Times he linked, he can't separate the actual offenders from their compatriots. To them, all Kenyans are dirty. That's consistent with most definitions of racism.

Also, I want to repeat that I know full well that my stance would be considered "un-Kenyan" by the majority of other Kenyans because that's just something we don't do. However, I think Kenyans are too open and hospitable for their own good and they get taken advantage of because of it. They would do well to learn from neighbours like Ethiopia who've always displayed so much pride as a country and would never tolerate such.

Haha, you're a funny, lad. You're very mixed-up.

Yes, I think Kenya should be banned. So many Kenyans are going outside (doped to the eyeballs) and stealing money through nefarious means (doping and duplicity). That's an indisputable fact. Many Kenyan 'elites' are stealing Olympic and World Championship medals (along with the trimmings), which deprives clean and honest athletes. Again, this is a fact.

Kenyans will continue to steal and cheat. You cannot, in any reasonable way, deny this. They must be banned. Pure and simple, it's wrong. Making excuses about illiteracy is patronizing and wrong too. They, their coaches (European and Kenyan), and their managers (European and Kenyan) know the rules. If Kenyan athletes can't/won't follow the rules, they must be banned. And yet, they continue to break the rules. And as we both know, scoring one over on the 'outsiders' is a feather in the cap over here. Again, another fact. Let's be honest, instead of dancing around the issues and talking shight.

This doesn't mean I have some inveterate hatred of Kenya and Kenyans. I'm stating facts. In fact, it's the opposite.

Now, while so many Kenyans are cheating and stealing (hustling), they're (imo) still the best runners. After they get banned, hopefully, they'll come back clean and clean up. But they should only be allowed back if they implement structures that reduce the risk of doping. At the moment, it's all reactive and as we both well know, that's not going to work here. (Yes, there are education programmes in place--superficial--, etc but it's not good enough: more must be done.)

If you were a true fan/supporter of Kenyan running, you'd agree that they need to be banned, that they need to clean up their act, and then come back and do the business.

While I know nothing at all about Ethiopia, I'm 'sure' the situation there is worse. I think in time, they too will be banned.

I'm also sure Brits, Irish, and folk from the US are doping too, but nowhere near on the scale as is evidenced in Kenya.

Can you seriously argue with any credibility as to why Kenya shouldn't be banned? I'm all eyes and ears and if you can convince me, I'll happily agree with you. There's nothing I'd like more than Kenya to be clean and win fairly (not just major comps and major marathons but smaller marathons too.) Over to you lad...