What are you doing to mitigate heart disease caused by running?

"disdain for vegetables."

Seriously?

Another even bigger LOL.

Anyone heard of a non-crackpot healthy balanced diet?

Yes, seriously. Vegetables are nothing, you can't joke your way around it. Negligibly few calories, few if any B vitamins. A few minerals you can get anywhere - preferably water.

Only thing they have in abundance is beta carotene and vitamin C, and enough so that one serving will do - but then again, so will a serving of a fruit or animal liver.

No amount of dogma can turn vegetables into food. They are quite literally a waste of metabolic energy to produce, prepare and consume.

the 72 hour rule wrote:

Unbelievable! wrote:

Are we being trolled?

I hope not. I already ran out and bought a few packs after reading that.

Filtered or unfiltered?

Incredible amount of BS in this thread.

Running is natural for humans. Eating carbs is natural for humans.

pjrun wrote:

Incredible amount of BS in this thread.

Running is natural for humans. Eating carbs is natural for humans.

So what is the daily carb requirement for humans, including fiber?

Tell it like it is wrote:

Japan has the #2 animal-sourced food consumption (non-plant) and the #2 life expectancy. #1 in both is Hong Kong. As Asians get healthier and wealthier, they up the meat consumption. They haven't been sucked into the "plant-based, low-fat" psychosis of the last 60 years in the west.

Mate, I think you're arguing with yourself, let it go and try and enjoy life.

it can be a thankless task trying to convince billions of people that don't follow your choice of diet and lifestyle

those pesky scientific studies keep getting in the way too

but hey we all need something to live for

those pesky scientific studies keep getting in the way too

"...we documented 5796 deaths and 4784 major cardiovascular disease events. Higher carbohydrate intake was associated with an increased risk of total mortality (highest [quintile 5] vs lowest quintile [quintile 1] category, HR 1·28 [95% CI 1·12-1·46], ptrend=0·0001) but not with the risk of cardiovascular disease or cardiovascular disease mortality. Intake of total fat and each type of fat was associated with lower risk of total mortality (quintile 5 vs quintile 1, total fat: HR 0·77 [95% CI 0·67-0·87], ptrend

YMMV wrote:

those pesky scientific studies keep getting in the way too

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28864332

"...we documented 5796 deaths and 4784 major cardiovascular disease events. Higher carbohydrate intake was associated with an increased risk of total mortality (highest [quintile 5] vs lowest quintile [quintile 1] category, HR 1·28 [95% CI 1·12-1·46], ptrend=0·0001) but not with the risk of cardiovascular disease or cardiovascular disease mortality. Intake of total fat and each type of fat was associated with lower risk of total mortality (quintile 5 vs quintile 1, total fat: HR 0·77 [95% CI 0·67-0·87], ptrend

YMMV wrote:

So what is the daily carb requirement for humans, including fiber?

Humans are omnivores, and the daily requirement for any single macro nutrient is minimal, as long as there's enough calories. But for running, carbs are the king.

Its the food. When you exercise you eat more. More of the same crap. More of the same disease.

https://images.app.goo.gl/YR9NUsjy3mprycG4A

Woooowwww evidence your eyes can see. ?

Link below is worth the 5 min read. Except for YMMV. He can go chew on cow butt. I prefer tubers and grains.

http://www.dresselstyn.com/site/study10/

Or if you'd rather watch him do a presentation cause reading is boring.

https://youtu.be/EqKNfyUPzoU

Keeping the disease at bay is pretty difficult as you have to be way more strict than most people think..... But...

https://images.app.goo.gl/ULB5UFVoSBjgQNNc7

Share the love. Pass it forward. Save the cool people (you guys are cool). No oil!

I'm curious what you take to militate against the effects of cortisol. I'm 62, train hard, and have a job that also can generate a fair bit of stress and/or long hours, and I've had a near lifelong problem with the too much cortisol/adrenaline burnout loop if I don't get enough sleep.

I do take Turmeric for it's anti-inflamatory properties.

Many Runners in the US have extreme summer weather to contend with. Your heart responds by increasing Stroke Volume year after year. How much running can you do before this causes problems?

I take the research seriously, even if I don't agree with some of the ideas.

Losing 10 pounds in sweat on a regular basis is a big issue.

I just went ahead and had a heart attack, while running, when I was 55 (now 59). I resumed "running" about 4 months later, but now I have a hard time getting my mpw above the mid-20's.

death draws ever nearer wrote:

If you're some hobby jogger slopping around for a mere 20 miles per week at 10 minute mile pace, then no worries.

But for the rest of us, the danger is real. You're fucking up your heart like a morbidly obese chain smoker.

We can't stop running, so what do you do to try to counter the damage of running that will assuredly lead to your premature demise?

Ignoring stupid troll posts.

pjrun wrote:

YMMV wrote:

So what is the daily carb requirement for humans, including fiber?

Humans are omnivores, and the daily requirement for any single macro nutrient is minimal, as long as there's enough calories. But for running, carbs are the king.

Your redundant statement about the RDA being "minimal" aside, fatty acids and amino acids are essential for human health, carbohydrate and fiber are not. We are facultative carnivores, who can derive energy from some carbs for short periods of time until the next kill when we can replentish nutrients. Dogs are similar. Feed a dog grain-based kibble long enough and they get obese and diseased just as humans do; feed them only meat and they maintain perfect health, just as we do.

Running gave me a new life after my heart disease. I'm only still alive because I started running after nearly going byebye at a young age due to a heart condition. Maybe wasn't sposed to get past age 7, but now at 67 and 70,000 miles the bearings are worn, the axles are bent, the tires are bald. However, the engine is a formula one racing machine and just yawns if I tell it were going "running". After a tough summer lost because of cancer surgery, kidney stone surgery and a sciatic nerve incident I'm taking a sabbatical for 4 months to rebuild. Lots of fast walking will keep my heart happy until it gets what it really wants-to hit the roads and trails at full speed ahead!