Ilovetorun557 wrote:
Lehigh is an awesome course. It’s extremely flat, great course to run some fast times. Even in the mud they usually maintain it well to make sure it is still good.
Great cross country courses are not extremely flat and not about getting a fast time.
think again?? wrote:
Not exciting wrote:
Nothing too exciting about this race.
Well. Katelyn Touhy is entered in the women's race?
Tuohy indicated she is still planning on going to this race. Be interesting to see her do a 6km
minde15 wrote:
RM wrote:
In the USATF events, I haven't seen them enforce a geographic proximity rule. I always wondered if that was to accommodate the folks they know train in one place but represent a team from elsewhere. The only time I've seen it enforced is with Boston Marathon teams.
Separately, I feel like Bethlehem gets a lot of entries because it's relatively close for a densely populated few states. Somewhere like Lexington or Tallahassee always has fewer entries.
You can have one person on your club that does not live in the association (but they must transfer into the association) and after three years you then wouldn't count as being out of association anymore. Also, if you are on a club for three years, you are considered part of that association/club even if you move to another association. You also could move but not move your USATF address although you probably should switch.
Where did you find this rule? All I see is that you have to be a "bona fide member of a current USATF member club" and the following:
Pursuant to USATF Competition Rule 4.2, in Open Cross Country competition, an athlete who is a non-resident member of an Association is eligible to compete for a team in that Association only if the athlete: a) resides in an adjoining Association with government-defined Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) of a city which is primarily in the neighboring Association as approved by the appropriate sport committee or council; or b) has historical membership based upon Association residency (at least 3 years continuous USATF membership years) is eligible to compete for that club.
From what I have heard Tinman have been training all season for this. My bet is they get their butt kicked. That Templeton kid will finally find out what it's like to race real professional runners, not just washed up Kenyans. Sidney Getsthebooty is going to suck worse than he did at 5k champs. And I have no idea who Brazzle Dazzle is. Heard he sucks too. Those guys suck. But, I wish I could join the team.
Predictions for the team result?!
Top contenders:
Tinman Elite
Idaho Distance Project
NJNYTC
Does not seem like many more stick out on the list as contenders. Does anyone know about Tracksmith or KC Smoke? Couple of solid names I recognize. Not sure of the depth. The B.A.A. will be a top 10, maybe top 5 contender.
Super Team wrote:
minde15 wrote:
You can have one person on your club that does not live in the association (but they must transfer into the association) and after three years you then wouldn't count as being out of association anymore. Also, if you are on a club for three years, you are considered part of that association/club even if you move to another association. You also could move but not move your USATF address although you probably should switch.
Where did you find this rule? All I see is that you have to be a "bona fide member of a current USATF member club" and the following:
Pursuant to USATF Competition Rule 4.2, in Open Cross Country competition, an athlete who is a non-resident member of an Association is eligible to compete for a team in that Association only if the athlete: a) resides in an adjoining Association with government-defined Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) of a city which is primarily in the neighboring Association as approved by the appropriate sport committee or council; or b) has historical membership based upon Association residency (at least 3 years continuous USATF membership years) is eligible to compete for that club.
I would say you have that rule more accurately than I said (all the examples I can think of have to do with my association (New England) and the surrounding associations (CT, ME, Adirondack). Like I said, unless someone files a protest, I doubt if someone moved to another association, if they never changed their USATF association from their previous location, I don't think anything would happen. Plus, if they had been in that association for three years (like the rule you cite) then they are grandfathered into the club/association and it is valid anyways, no matter where they move to.
RM wrote:
Super Team wrote:
Speaking of Natosha Rogers, how is she allowed to compete for a Michigan club even though she lives in Colorado?
Separately, I feel like Bethlehem gets a lot of entries because it's relatively close for a densely populated few states. Somewhere like Lexington or Tallahassee always has fewer entries.
It sounds like you are making an excuse for the popularity of the race. However, it is a legit reason for the high number of entries. Also probably cheap motels for the true out-of-towners.
minde15 wrote:
Super Team wrote:
Where did you find this rule? All I see is that you have to be a "bona fide member of a current USATF member club" and the following:
Pursuant to USATF Competition Rule 4.2, in Open Cross Country competition, an athlete who is a non-resident member of an Association is eligible to compete for a team in that Association only if the athlete: a) resides in an adjoining Association with government-defined Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) of a city which is primarily in the neighboring Association as approved by the appropriate sport committee or council; or b) has historical membership based upon Association residency (at least 3 years continuous USATF membership years) is eligible to compete for that club.
I would say you have that rule more accurately than I said (all the examples I can think of have to do with my association (New England) and the surrounding associations (CT, ME, Adirondack). Like I said, unless someone files a protest, I doubt if someone moved to another association, if they never changed their USATF association from their previous location, I don't think anything would happen. Plus, if they had been in that association for three years (like the rule you cite) then they are grandfathered into the club/association and it is valid anyways, no matter where they move to.
i *think* the rules are different for open and masters, if that is confusing the issue
For the Masters race, it’s going to be a runaway. Chris Naimoli ran 24:30 for 8k two weeks ago. Can’t see anyone challenging that.
Would there be free streaming for this? Or we need to sign up for another T&F subscription service?
Master Yoda wrote:
For the Masters race, it’s going to be a runaway. Chris Naimoli ran 24:30 for 8k two weeks ago. Can’t see anyone challenging that.
Look for Jacques Sallberg and Neville Davey to make him earn it.
minde15 wrote:
Like I said, unless someone files a protest, I doubt if someone moved to another association, if they never changed their USATF association from their previous location, I don't think anything would happen. Plus, if they had been in that association for three years (like the rule you cite) then they are grandfathered into the club/association and it is valid anyways, no matter where they move to.
My address is not located in the region for the association where my club is based, and I -- along with a lot of others, it seems -- got the following email late last night. I've been in the same situation for previous Club Nationals and I've never gotten such an email before, so it seems they are taking it more seriously this year, for whatever reason.
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If you are receiving this e-mail, it is because the address you used in entering the Club XC Meet on Saturday is not located in the same Association as the club team you are listing as your affiliation.
This meet was designed for and has achieved remarkable success being devoted to local groups where athletes are actually in close enough residential proximity to train together. It has specific rules to prevent recruiting and fielding "all-star" teams, which would make it generally more difficult for true local clubs to achieve success.
There are two exceptions to living outside the club’s Association:
1 - if the club’s address is located in a metropolitan area which has population in a neighboring Association, and you live in a neighboring Association in that metro area.
2 - if you moved away from a residence in the Association of the club after you had belonged to that club for three or more years — as reflected in your continuing USATF membership file as your affiliation — and have not stopped representing that club, you can continue to represent that club.
We do not have time to research the dozens of athletes in your situation. So you need to tell us if you fit one of the above exceptions, or if you feel there are other extenuating circumstances which should be taken into consideration. When you respond to this e-mail, please "reply all" so that the other two panel members on eligibility decisions get your reply as well as me.
YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS E-MAIL MUST BE RECEIVED BEFORE YOU CAN BE DECLARED AS A SCORING MEMBER OF THAT CLUB. Your packet will not be included with the team packet until we can get the information we need to make a decision. You will be able to compete on Saturday — this is about scoring for your team!
Thank you for your prompt response!
Bill Roe, Games Committee
Club Cross Country Championships
USATF Cross Country Council
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What happened to that guy that was tazed in 2007 at the party? I know he was from Atlanta Track Club.
Hey Syd
What happened to that guy wrote:
What happened to that guy that was tazed in 2007 at the party? I know he was from Atlanta Track Club.
Still in jail.
Master Yoda wrote:
For the Masters race, it’s going to be a runaway. Chris Naimoli ran 24:30 for 8k two weeks ago. Can’t see anyone challenging that.
On a flat road course while wearing Vaporflys. Muddy XC course...different animal. Try again.
I know something you dont know (not really) wrote:
Predictions for the team result?!
Top contenders:
Tinman Elite
Idaho Distance Project
NJNYTC
Does not seem like many more stick out on the list as contenders. Does anyone know about Tracksmith or KC Smoke? Couple of solid names I recognize. Not sure of the depth. The B.A.A. will be a top 10, maybe top 5 contender.
Asiscs Aggies team looks very good this year. Overall, team competition seems weak compared to past years.
I’d bet you two ingots of Baskar that Chris wins it.
Baby Yoda wrote:
I’d bet you two ingots of Baskar that Chris wins it.
This is most likely correct. Jacques Sallberg isn't quite in that form any more. Neville Davey and Jorge Maravilla (West Valley) both had late season injuries/setbacks. Roosevelt Cook (Calcoast) could be a dark horse, but lost to Jacques at 5k in September. David Angell should be on the podium. Another to watch is
Eric Loeffler.
Bowerman's top Masters team seems to be having a rebuilding year, but should still contend.
West Coast XC wrote:
Master Yoda wrote:
For the Masters race, it’s going to be a runaway. Chris Naimoli ran 24:30 for 8k two weeks ago. Can’t see anyone challenging that.
Look for Jacques Sallberg and Neville Davey to make him earn it.
Neville might not be fully fit? But look out for his new teammate Peter Gilmore who won the regional title last month.
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