HS Phenom Nico Young 7x 1k 2:46 avg!!!!!!!

That is the crux of what the previous poster stated. Most high school coaches are educators and have to determine where their personal line is drawn. Do you win at all costs or have a run for fun atmosphere? Most coaches find the line somewhere in between that gives kids the chance to perform well and doesn’t sacrifice life balance and making the experience a positive one for a large group.

Not to say those top teams don’t do that, but when you see only small snippets like the workout in the video, it makes people draw the conclusion that their line is closer to the win at all cost side. Whether it’s jealousy or just disagreement, the majority of people don’t agree with that particular philosophy.

I think one of the interesting parts of this is how much contrast exists between NP and Loudoun Valley in how they seem to approach training. From what I have read about both programs it seems like NP goes pretty hard in workouts vs Loudoun Valley taking a much more conservative approach based on some of the Tinman ideas. It will be interesting who comes out on top between these two teams in December.

Well said!

NXN title showdown extravaganza wrote:

I think one of the interesting parts of this is how much contrast exists between NP and Loudoun Valley in how they seem to approach training. From what I have read about both programs it seems like NP goes pretty hard in workouts vs Loudoun Valley taking a much more conservative approach based on some of the Tinman ideas. It will be interesting who comes out on top between these two teams in December.

Where have you read this? Seems to me the only info I can find about Newbury Park’s training is a letsrun message boad. I would not call that reliable. I only ask because I have seen the Louden Valley coaches have more information from online, clinics, interviews, etc. I have seen a bunch of interviews on the Newbury Park coach, but no real information of their training beside from on here.

I think we might be jumping the gun assuming anything.

The training they do is probably pretty similar to Scott Simmons who was the Queen's college coach and now coaches the Army team as that was Sean's coach in college. Simmons promotes hammer intervals and they did the hammer interval on the 5th repeat by running it 5 secs faster. If you want to know more about Simmons training he has videos covering his philosophy https://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?video_id=26302 . All I know is to run fast you have to train fast at some point in training. This was an end of season hard workout I guarantee their first workouts weren't as fast. If you look at most of the workouts from the best high schoolers at some point in the season they have run a hard workout. I have coached some top athletes nationally at the highschool level and at the beginning of the season people would look at some of the workouts done and say it was too easy and then look at the workout at the end of the season and say that's too hard. It's all in context of the athlete and season. It's pretty hard to run 13:39 if you haven't run faster than that with rest in practice . I found that higher mileage helps if you want more of the athletes to run faster on the team in order to have depth as they are able to recover more quickly. The most talented athletes will still do well on lower mileage, but you won't have as much depth. That's the problem with having a strong team at the highschool level as some of the coaches have their runners train harder than a lot of college teams in order to win. Sometimes this hurts the athletes in the long term.

Everyone saying it’s an end of the season workout, it was originally posted on October 3, which means it was probably done sometime mid September or earlier. So at the earliest 10 weeks out from their state meet.

They’ve been covered in 2 workout videos. I don’t know the days the workouts were done, but they were exactly the same workout done at very similar paces. The coach said it was the third time they did the workout and I believe he said in the first video that it was the first time they did the workout this season. It’s hard to know which would be faster. The weather was different, the course was different and the surface was different.

The coach didn’t have hammer reps, but said he wanted them to run faster on the second to last rep.

What I meant as end of season workout is that it was probably one of the last hard vo2 type workouts. They are probably doing something shorter and faster at the very end of the season while still doing some threshold work. I am pretty sure running faster on the 2nd to last rep is what a hammer interval is according to this article https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20825378/race-ready-training-tactics/

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Ughhhhhh what wrote:

Everyone saying it’s an end of the season workout, it was originally posted on October 3, which means it was probably done sometime mid September or earlier. So at the earliest 10 weeks out from their state meet.

It was posted on Nov 17th. Right before their postseason

LA Lights 55 wrote:

Ughhhhhh what wrote:

Everyone saying it’s an end of the season workout, it was originally posted on October 3, which means it was probably done sometime mid September or earlier. So at the earliest 10 weeks out from their state meet.

It was posted on Nov 17th. Right before their postseason

And it's the 2nd or 3rd time they've done it this year, right? They did it once before Clovis.

3 workouts have been posted in videos this season. One workout was just mentioned, but there is no video. Here are the 4 workouts:

https://ca.milesplit.com/videos/403781/workout-wednesday-newbury-park-boys-xc

1) Posted on September 18th, and probably after September 12th (they had a meet that day)

7x1k with 3 minutes rest. Nico to average 2:48-2:4 and then last 2 really hard. "one of our harder workouts, but not the hardest" according to Nico Young

Slight hill, sharp turns, pavement, loose gravel and some grass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8mHZ8_T7dk

2) Sometime between September 21 and October 3rd.

3x2k and 1x800

2k's at 5-10 seconds slower than 3 mile race pace for the first 1600, then hammer the last 400. 800 in the same pace. Not supposed to be dying after this workout according to the coach.

3)Unsure of the date, but based on the first video stating it was the first time and the 3rd video saying it was the 3rd time, it's safe to assume it was sometime in between the two.

7x1k with 3 minutes rest. Unknown paces and good conditions at the same location as workout 4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljb-5sGqP50

4) Posted on November 17th, and probably after September 12th (they had a meet that day)

7x1k with 3 minutes rest. Nico to average 2:46 and then 2nd last one "really friggin hard"

Wet grass and some mud.

Am I way off thinking workout 2 might be harder than the other 3? I figured the per K pace was about 9 seconds slower, but back to back and proportionately quite a bit less rest. The 800 at the end may be easier, but not sure after the 3x2k. I could be wrong, but I think I would struggle with that workout more.

It's basically a mile at theoretical 7k pace (3 mile + 10 seconds fits right about there )into a 400 at about 2-mile pace. If you took the average, it's about 6k pace. With the way, it's run it's a bit harder, but 4 minutes rest seems enough. The 800 seems to be about at 2-3 mile pace, it was unclear. It doesn't seem as hard as the other workouts.

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I went to school with him so yeah, I do "know" or "remember" him and witnessed first hand him running himself into a stress fracture and screwing his spring semester. He hated 'weakness' so to speak. Don't get me wrong, he was a great guy and hard worker but just didn't seem to listen to his body at times, or recognize the overtraining signs.. So, yeah I knew him...probably before you crawled out of your mommy's womb...