What do you think?
What do you think?
I would agree although the super fast times of the western guys don't compare to mid or eastern guys.
His speed rating is 201.37. The next highest is Leo Daschbach at 200.70 who sat on Nico the whole race and still couldn't outkick him. This is especially impressive considering Leo had used this strategy to beat Cole Sprout, but couldn't beat Nico. The next highest speed rating is 199.33 more than two points behind.
Titan wrote:
I would agree although the super fast times of the western guys don't compare to mid or eastern guys.
In general this is true at NXN. Little wonder considering the temperature and general weather conditions are near identical to what New York sees in the month leading up to NXN. CA runners in the southern section typically see temps 20-30+ higher than what Portland experiences at NXN. Not to mention CA runners aren't even allowed to wear spikes in races, so they get to this place that's much colder than their bodies are used to and they are wearing spikes for the first time ever or the first time in a year at the least in the biggest meet of their season. It's far from ideal to have so many changes, but of course it's not just the CA kids dealing with this. Arizona is in the same boat. I believe Texas is as well.
The kids that are used to 35-42 degree weather have a huge advantage. Just like kids from hotter states would have a huge advantage over those from the colder states if it was 80 degrees at the start.
YeahOfCourse wrote:
His speed rating is 201.37. The next highest is Leo Daschbach at 200.70 who sat on Nico the whole race and still couldn't outkick him. This is especially impressive considering Leo had used this strategy to beat Cole Sprout, but couldn't beat Nico. The next highest speed rating is 199.33 more than two points behind.
What’s the speed rating for the Illinois course record performance?
Methner's Illinois course record was 197.37, the texas state record by Schoppe was the 199.33
http://www.tullyrunners.com/XC2019/HighestSpeedRatings.htm
here's the list
Didn't seem to affect Anderson, Strangio or Young. 3 Cali guys in the top 8
What is the story with Gavin Sherry - from CT -and top 10 ---and in only the 10th grade!!
Heard of Puffer before, but not Sherry, who is ranked much higher.
I think right now you would say yes, but its very close. Lets see what happens at nxn as well.
Jenene wrote:
YeahOfCourse wrote:
His speed rating is 201.37. The next highest is Leo Daschbach at 200.70 who sat on Nico the whole race and still couldn't outkick him. This is especially impressive considering Leo had used this strategy to beat Cole Sprout, but couldn't beat Nico. The next highest speed rating is 199.33 more than two points behind.
What’s the speed rating for the Illinois course record performance?
197 for Methner, 6th in nation
188 for Cushing, 64th
186 for Allen, 103rd
Fast times, but short course.
Sherry beat Puffer by 9 seconds at the divisional meet. The fact that separates them by 18 spots on the list shows how competitive it is.
CA nativity wrote:
Titan wrote:
I would agree although the super fast times of the western guys don't compare to mid or eastern guys.
In general this is true at NXN. Little wonder considering the temperature and general weather conditions are near identical to what New York sees in the month leading up to NXN. CA runners in the southern section typically see temps 20-30+ higher than what Portland experiences at NXN. Not to mention CA runners aren't even allowed to wear spikes in races, so they get to this place that's much colder than their bodies are used to and they are wearing spikes for the first time ever or the first time in a year at the least in the biggest meet of their season. It's far from ideal to have so many changes, but of course it's not just the CA kids dealing with this. Arizona is in the same boat. I believe Texas is as well.
The kids that are used to 35-42 degree weather have a huge advantage. Just like kids from hotter states would have a huge advantage over those from the colder states if it was 80 degrees at the start.
I think the effect that weather and conditions have on runners from different parts of the country is exaggerated. 2012 had the worst conditions of any NXN to date. The entire race was essentially run in mud, yet Sarah Baxter from SoCal beat Mary Cain from NY and Arcadia won the boy's title.
YeahOfCourse wrote:
His speed rating is 201.37. The next highest is Leo Daschbach at 200.70 who sat on Nico the whole race and still couldn't outkick him. This is especially impressive considering Leo had used this strategy to beat Cole Sprout, but couldn't beat Nico. The next highest speed rating is 199.33 more than two points behind.
Ryan Schoppe is a big ? (he ran that 199.33 speed rating you mentioned).
He won by about 25 seconds over 2nd place, so I'm sure with someone right there with him the whole way he could have run quicker.
a blip wrote:
CA nativity wrote:
In general this is true at NXN. Little wonder considering the temperature and general weather conditions are near identical to what New York sees in the month leading up to NXN. CA runners in the southern section typically see temps 20-30+ higher than what Portland experiences at NXN. Not to mention CA runners aren't even allowed to wear spikes in races, so they get to this place that's much colder than their bodies are used to and they are wearing spikes for the first time ever or the first time in a year at the least in the biggest meet of their season. It's far from ideal to have so many changes, but of course it's not just the CA kids dealing with this. Arizona is in the same boat. I believe Texas is as well.
The kids that are used to 35-42 degree weather have a huge advantage. Just like kids from hotter states would have a huge advantage over those from the colder states if it was 80 degrees at the start.
I think the effect that weather and conditions have on runners from different parts of the country is exaggerated. 2012 had the worst conditions of any NXN to date. The entire race was essentially run in mud, yet Sarah Baxter from SoCal beat Mary Cain from NY and Arcadia won the boy's title.
Being adapted to cold weather and then racing in hot weather is definitely worse than being adapted to hot weather and then racing in cold weather. So long as the person adapted to hot weather dresses appropriately for the few days they are up in Portland they won't be affected too much, but it always takes energy when the body is in the process of adapting to weather and that will typically take at least 10-14 days for the first phase of adaptation.
CA nativity wrote:
Being adapted to cold weather and then racing in hot weather is definitely worse than being adapted to hot weather and then racing in cold weather. So long as the person adapted to hot weather dresses appropriately for the few days they are up in Portland they won't be affected too much, but it always takes energy when the body is in the process of adapting to weather and that will typically take at least 10-14 days for the first phase of adaptation.
off topic, but this is one of the things I wonder about that 2001 FL race in Orlando.......
Fasttuohy wrote:
I think right now you would say yes, but its very close. Lets see what happens at nxn as well.
This is the right answer.
Young is definitely the best HS XC runner in the country right now, but Daschbach, Sprout, Schoppe, Methner are all incredible. Depending on training, peaking, and luck NXN could go a number of ways. Daschbach said he wasn't feeling well at Clovis when Young beat him by a few seconds. I wouldn't be surprised if he was able to stick with Young and Sprout and outkick them at NXN.
I don't think I have ever seen a season with so much high-level depth yet being still up for grabs. There could be 4-5 guys under 8:40/4:04 next spring.
YMMV wrote:
I don't think I have ever seen a season with so much high-level depth yet being still up for grabs. There could be 4-5 guys under 8:40/4:04 next spring.
Agreed, even in the Ritz / Webb / Hall year, Ritz was a heavy, heavy favorite. That may speak more to how good Ritzenhein was in HS, but Young is not the level of favorite that Ritz was.
The track season will be fun, but we probably won't get the quantity of elite dudes in a single race that we will get at NXN. Daschbach and Culpepper have been vocal about their desire to be 1500/miler guys in the future, and I expect they will focus on breaking 1:50 and 4:00. Sprout has been vocal about wanting to break 4:00, so I could see him going either way at Brooks PR (mile or 2-mile), but would guess he'll do something like he did last year, and try to get a sub-4 attempt in before defending his 2-mile title. Young didn't run any postseason races last year, not sure if he will this year, but I wouldn't be shocked if he gave Rupp's 5000 record a shot. I would bet against him breaking that mark, but I think he could run in the 13:45 range.
I think there are a few guys that we still haven't seen the full potential of this year, Nathan Green being the most prominent. I am excited to see if he can hang with the seniors at NXN and then break 4 in track.
Sub 4:00 potential: Daschbach, Culpepper, Green, Sprout
Sub 8:40 potential: Young, Sprout, Holland, Strangio, maybe Schoppe and Methner
Get these dudes on a 5000 on the track and let em rupp/rip sub 14s
Gavin Sherry won New England's, against the 5k national champ Robbie Cozean