2019 New York City Marathon Pro Report Cards

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  • wejo
    cofounder
    6 months ago 11/03/2019 1:05pm CST
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    I started another thread asking people how they did and to rate themselves.

    Figure we should do the same for the Pros.

    I'll start with top 5 and top 5 Americans.
    1) Kamworor A
    2) Alberto Korir A
    3) Girma Bekele from "semi-elite" start A+
    4) Tamirat Tola 2:09:20 B-
    5) Shura Kitata B-

    I wonder if the other LRC guys will be harsher on Tola and Kitata

    American men
    1 Jared Ward 2:10:45 PB 2:12 last year A-
    2 Abdi Abdi 40+ 2:11:34 A+ thought his career was over
    3 Connor McMllian 2:12:07 A
    4 Tyler Pennel 2:14:10 A on return from injury
    5 John Raneri 2:14:13 A - is he only a 30 minute guy?

    Women:
    1) Joyciline Jepkosgei A
    2) Mary Keitany 2:23:32 B+
    3) Ruti Aga 2:25:51 B-
    4) Nancy Kiprop B
    5) Sinead Diver A master's runner

    American women:
    1) Des Linden 2:26:46 B (A for giving american's some entertainment)
    2) Kellyn Taylor 2:26:52 B = fact she ran almost equal to Des maybe should give her a B+
    3) Aliphine Tuliamuk 2:28:12 B+ been injured of late
    4) Roberta Groner 2:30:12 A = 6th at Worlds and now this as a master
    5) Katy (Moen) Jermann 2:31:55 A = PB 2:33 in Houston was previous best
  • mytake
    6 months ago 11/03/2019 1:43pm CST
    re: wejo
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    Raneri has run 14:07 and 29:16, definitely not equivalent to a 2:14, but he did run 1:02:51 in the half

    I'd say A+ for McMillan. I know he was fast on the track at BYU but only marathon result i see is a 2:23 in Chicago, so being less than 90 seconds behind Ward is pretty damn good.
  • Rugro
    6 months ago 11/04/2019 7:14am CST
    re: mytake
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    I was about to agree w McMillan A+ but is 2:12 with new shoes = 2:14 old shoes?

    Fact he ran by himself makes it impressive to me but I could see a guy like that running 2:14 .
  • Just Average
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    6 months ago 11/04/2019 7:47am CST
    re: wejo
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    Really happy for Tyler. He himself on IG described his race as "good but not great" and vowed to work hard over the next 4 months before the trials but considering the injuries he's coming back from 2:14 on a cold, windy day in NY is great in my book.

    Altho the mustache trend that he and Jared Ward are promoting needs to stop.
  • Classic Ivy
    6 months ago 11/04/2019 10:06am CST
    re: Just Average
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    Looks like some good old Cornell grade inflation!
  • Buff Guy
    6 months ago 11/04/2019 10:16am CST
    re: wejo
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    wejo wrote:

    I started another thread asking people how they did and to rate themselves.

    Figure we should do the same for the Pros.

    I'll start with top 5 and top 5 Americans.
    1) Kamworor A
    2) Alberto Korir A
    3) Girma Bekele from "semi-elite" start A+
    4) Tamirat Tola 2:09:20 B-
    5) Shura Kitata B-

    I wonder if the other LRC guys will be harsher on Tola and Kitata

    American men
    1 Jared Ward 2:10:45 PB 2:12 last year A-
    2 Abdi Abdi 40+ 2:11:34 A+ thought his career was over
    3 Connor McMllian 2:12:07 A
    4 Tyler Pennel 2:14:10 A on return from injury
    5 John Raneri 2:14:13 A - is he only a 30 minute guy?

    Women:
    1) Joyciline Jepkosgei A
    2) Mary Keitany 2:23:32 B+
    3) Ruti Aga 2:25:51 B-
    4) Nancy Kiprop B
    5) Sinead Diver A master's runner

    American women:
    1) Des Linden 2:26:46 B (A for giving american's some entertainment)
    2) Kellyn Taylor 2:26:52 B = fact she ran almost equal to Des maybe should give her a B+
    3) Aliphine Tuliamuk 2:28:12 B+ been injured of late
    4) Roberta Groner 2:30:12 A = 6th at Worlds and now this as a master
    5) Katy (Moen) Jermann 2:31:55 A = PB 2:33 in Houston was previous best


    Way to leave out Joey Whalen. I give him B+, he jogged a 2:18 last month but only managed a 2:16 for NYC. Training indicated sub 2:12. Decent but not great performance.
  • Grading the grader
    6 months ago 11/04/2019 10:19am CST
    re: wejo
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    I agree with most of your grading but I disagree with Des Linden. Most of us come to this board because we expect a different take than the RunnersWorld crowd.

    Is there one person on this board that thought Des had a chance to win when she opened up a 15 second lead on the field? Hell no. Even she knew that this was a middle school move. She is no longer a factor to win a race. She goes through the motions before and says that she’s in it to win it.

    She is in a different zip code over the last 10k but always says she is in it to win it before hand. That has to be a failing grade.
  • Leopardly
    6 months ago 11/04/2019 11:02am CST
    re: wejo
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    wejo wrote:
    American men
    1 Jared Ward 2:10:45 PB 2:12 last year A-


    He ran 2:11 at the Olympics
  • I know Boston is an IAAF ineligible net-downhill course
    6 months ago 11/04/2019 11:14am CST
    re: Leopardly
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    Leopardly wrote:

    wejo wrote:
    American men
    1 Jared Ward 2:10:45 PB 2:12 last year A-


    He ran 2:11 at the Olympics


    He ran 2:09:25 at Boston.
  • Mus Tache
    6 months ago 11/04/2019 7:55pm CST
    re: Just Average
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    Just Average wrote:

    Altho the mustache trend that he and Jared Ward are promoting needs to stop.


    Pennel mustache C-
    Ward mustache B+
  • douglas burke
    registered
    6 months ago 11/05/2019 2:29am CST
    re: wejo
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    wejo wrote:

    I started another thread asking people how they did and to rate themselves.

    Figure we should do the same for the Pros.

    I'll start with top 5 and top 5 Americans.
    1) Kamworor A
    2) Alberto Korir A
    3) Girma Bekele from "semi-elite" start A+
    4) Tamirat Tola 2:09:20 B-
    5) Shura Kitata B-

    I wonder if the other LRC guys will be harsher on Tola and Kitata

    American men
    1 Jared Ward 2:10:45 PB 2:12 last year A-
    2 Abdi Abdi 40+ 2:11:34 A+ thought his career was over
    3 Connor McMllian 2:12:07 A
    4 Tyler Pennel 2:14:10 A on return from injury
    5 John Raneri 2:14:13 A - is he only a 30 minute guy?

    Women:
    1) Joyciline Jepkosgei A
    2) Mary Keitany 2:23:32 B+
    3) Ruti Aga 2:25:51 B-
    4) Nancy Kiprop B
    5) Sinead Diver A master's runner

    American women:
    1) Des Linden 2:26:46 B (A for giving american's some entertainment)
    2) Kellyn Taylor 2:26:52 B = fact she ran almost equal to Des maybe should give her a B+
    3) Aliphine Tuliamuk 2:28:12 B+ been injured of late
    4) Roberta Groner 2:30:12 A = 6th at Worlds and now this as a master
    5) Katy (Moen) Jermann 2:31:55 A = PB 2:33 in Houston was previous best


    Nancy Kiprop is ALSO a Masters runner age 40
  • Leopardly
    6 months ago 11/06/2019 6:21am CST
    re: I know Boston is an IAAF ineligible net-downhill course
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    I know Boston is an IAAF ineligible net-downhill course wrote:

    Leopardly wrote:

    wejo wrote:
    American men
    1 Jared Ward 2:10:45 PB 2:12 last year A-


    He ran 2:11 at the Olympics


    He ran 2:09:25 at Boston.


    Yes but that was this year. The post I quoted was saying 2:12 was his PB as of last year
  • Blah blah blah.
    6 months ago 11/06/2019 7:38am CST
    re: Just Average
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    Just Average wrote:

    Really happy for Tyler. He himself on IG described his race as "good but not great" and vowed to work hard over the next 4 months before the trials but considering the injuries he's coming back from 2:14 on a cold, windy day in NY is great in my book.

    Altho the mustache trend that he and Jared Ward are promoting needs to stop.


    They all say this same junk- Charlie Grice and the rest of the British middle distance/distance guys are especially persistent with apologies and vows for more hard work after disappointments.
  • demooralizing
    6 months ago 11/06/2019 1:06pm CST
    re: wejo
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    Seth Demoor- D+. C- cuz he ran with a camera.