2 Questions on Mark Parker: How good a runner was he? +Anyone else think his wording on doping experiments was really weird?

Parker was winning a lot of road races in central Pennsylvania when he was in grad school at Penn State. He was good enough to have gotten a write up in the State College newspaper. That would be around 1980. AS I recall, he was running marathons around 2:30, maybe very low 50s for 10 miles, maybe a 31:00 something 10,000. It's been a while so I don't have exact numbers. I seem to recall reading somewhere that he was not a varsity runner at Penn State but won't swear to that.

You say "topical male hormone" when you don't want to say testosterone in writing because saying what it actually is sounds bad. I believe the literary folks call it a euphemism or some such fanciness.

Are the words "topical male hormone" often used by doctors? I just did a google search for the term and tried to exclude the Salazar article and came up with almost nothing for it. Looks like this thread has shown again the censorious Google actors, to preserve various interests.

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Mark was a good runner at Penn State and his wife was an even better runner -- won AIAW cross country nationals one year before NCAA took over women;s running

His wife held the 5000 meter world best in the days before it was an official world record.

15:35.52 Kathy Mills (USA) 1978-05-26 Knoxville, United State

It may not be used often, but I might describe androgel as a "topical male hormone" to a lay person.

Parker was once a runner

wejo wrote:

Nike CEO Mark Parker announced he was stepping down today. He told CNBC it had nothing to do with being in on the loop on the doping experiments that Alberto Salazar conducted on his sons.

A couple questions. 1) Article says he ran at Penn State. How good of a runner was he? What years? I did find another LetsRun thread where some guy years ago said he ran with Parker at Penn State.

Parker graduated from Penn State in 1977. Who else do you know who graduated from Penn State the same year?

He never made the team despite what his bio claims. Only in the most liberal stretches of the definition could Parker be called a "walk on" He was a volunteer team manager who used to run with us on our easy days. At his best, 29:47 for 5 miles, Parker was 4 minutes too slow to make the team. That's not even fast enough to make the girls team.

Harry Groves was a "big tent" kind of coach. He loved to promote the sport and would allow as many people to run at home meets as the opposing coaches would agree to. Proof is in the results listed below.

At the end of those easy 10 mile easy runs, Parker would suddenly jump to the front of the pack of 25-30 runners for the final mile parade through campus. Grins and rolling eyes followed.

Here are the real results:

Pretty interesting.

Had no idea his wife was that good.

And for whatever it’s worth I can see a guy who always wanted to be on the college team being totally geeked out by Salazar , his experiments, and using the words ‘topical make hormone’ .

Makers more sense to me actually . Good thing he’s a running geek as he’s fine with Nike spending a million here and there for training groups. Wonder if he’s a LetsRun visitor.

Just wish he had done more for clean sport: Nike has said nothing about investigating/ disciplining Salazar for telling athletes to take prescription medications they don’t have prescriptions for, continues to back the Rosas without putting down extra conditions, Marion Jones/Dennis Mitchell etc. They had a real opportunity to lead on this front and didn’t. They erred on the wrong side of the line on anti-doping but clearly got a lot else right while he was ceo (growing the company).

Wejo, Kathy Mills was a genuine badass. She had more talent then all those girls who stuck with it back in the day.

Secondly , I'm not sure why you are hung up on the vernacular? Topical male hormone is an accurate description for an ointment that is used to mitigate erectile dysfunction. If you have a rash what is the doctor going to prescribe to you.? Topical Corticosteroid Ointment

wejo wrote:

And for whatever it’s worth I can see a guy who always wanted to be on the college team being totally geeked out by Salazar , his experiments, and using the words ‘topical make hormone’ .

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This is a weird, elitist psychoanalysis of Parker that I don’t understand.

I did enjoy looking through Malmo’s old results. I had overlooked Carey Pinkowski’s past running successes until seeing him place third at the Villanova home meet of 1976.

Wejo, with all due respect, you’re cutting them a lot of very mind slack by saying they “erred” on the wrong side of the line of anti-doping.

We’re finally starting to see the evidence that they’re more similar to an authoritarian state imposing it strategically on the athletes, some of them knowing and some of the. unknowing ,in the pursuit of ensuring a dominant image to the public. Walsh’s column in The Times two weeks ago may have hit the nail on the head when he called them the “Russia of the West”. The stuff with Salazar (which, from Mackey’s testimony sounded like it extended into the directives within the company, beyond just the NOP) was totally reminiscent of the East German stuff where scores of athletes were told they were taking “vitamins” from a young age, only to get all sorts of cancers and health issues later, and then find out through the uncovered documents that that they were anabolics, hormones, etc.

One could argue that the growth and success of their business is due to their image within the sporting world of absolute domination. They are inextricably and subconsciously linked with winning in every customer’s mind. They’ve achieved this level of unnatural domination and thus unnatural credibility in the sporting goods world via doped athletes. This isn’t a separate issue from the success of their business.

*kind slack, sorry.

Malmo, thanks for the blast from the past!

I graduated from Penn State in '76 and was the (distant) 3rd man on the team behind Stemmer and Malmo.

(5th in that 5-miler)

And no, Parker was never on the team.

All the best

He did win the Johnstown Marathon in 1978 running 2:32:55.

https://www.arrs.run/HP_JhnMa.htm

Also.

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a20854435/the-chief-geek/

kw1954 wrote:

Malmo, thanks for the blast from the past!

I graduated from Penn State in '76 and was the (distant) 3rd man on the team behind Stemmer and Malmo.

(5th in that 5-miler)

And no, Parker was never on the team.

All the best

Good to hear from you Ken. I think I'm still hung over from the road trip in Norman's van to the Beach Boys concert at the Garden. With Stemmer in the middle of things there were lots of funny stories. -- too many to count. Do you remember when Stem jogged backwards near the finish line of the G-town /WM? He mimed like he was reeling me in like a big fish after I fell off the pace with a mile to go with a side stitch. For the tie. Funniest thing ever.

Lot of good memories George. Thanks for reliving a few of them! You made my day.

Off for my daily 5-mile jog with a smile on my face. We are!

How does NOP, which went out of their way to define a scientific approach to training and nutrition, defend this two bit pseudoscientific study of androgel?

They can’t because they knew that they were pushing the boundaries of cheating. They didn’t want a formal scientific research study done because then the anti-doping authorities would have increased restrictions.

If you ain’t doping you ain’t winning.