Interesting take there, pal wrote:
Time to leave this place wrote:
This was a cool video. The toxicity on this site is really getting tiresome.
So racism, sexism, antisemitism, misogyny, homophobia and transphobia is all cool with you but if someone thinks nick is an attention whore, that crosses the line for you?
when did they say that this was the only issue for them? You just made that up
Xbdhdhdh wrote:
This makes me so curious about fitness/talent/training.
The 2:15 opener should, from my experience, be totally effortless for him. Even if he is totally sedentary.
I’ve got a 154 800 PB, am 4 years older than Nick, and could now beat him in a 1k/mile.
It’s just weird.
Nothing weird about it. It's just one human being, once elite, who isn't the least bit embarrassed to illustrate that he's no longer an elite runner. He's not claiming that just because Xbdhdhdh once ran a 1:54 800, and is now four years older than he is, Xbdhdhdh should now be able to beat 1:59 in an 800. Nick is just filming the reality of his own situation as an aging ex-championship runner who is appreciative of a stunning runner from Kenya.
Thanks, Nick - your latest video truly helps us common folk to even better appreciate the great EK's 1:59.40. And to appreciate your own efforts, past and present. I happen to get a kick out of your advertisements for Run Gum, too. Makes me laugh. More power to you.
To all you Nick haters out there, I suggest that you google around and discover another message board that suits your miserable countenances.
I bet my ass that it's fake...the time or lenght, and i'm not surprised.
Nick, big fan. Love the hustle of paying people to post about you on Letsrun-- whatever it takes!
Great video! Love to see entertaining stuff like this.
Best part was
Nick: "How did he do that?"
Will: "He trains"
Lol
is nick symmonds trying to cater to casual runners just so he can sell more rungum to the casual runners? a few weeks ago, he ran 800 in 2 flat. now he's struggling to do 800 in 2:15? i watched some of his youtube videos for when he was training for the marathon which he ran in about 3 hours, wtf? all he had to do was be in 1:50 800m shape and then do some longer intervals and some tempo runs and he woulda been in 2:30 shape guaranteed.
idiot's opinion wrote:
is nick symmonds trying to cater to casual runners just so he can sell more rungum to the casual runners? a few weeks ago, he ran 800 in 2 flat. now he's struggling to do 800 in 2:15? i watched some of his youtube videos for when he was training for the marathon which he ran in about 3 hours, wtf? all he had to do was be in 1:50 800m shape and then do some longer intervals and some tempo runs and he woulda been in 2:30 shape guaranteed.
dude has no interest in training...just a clown trying to make money publishing this rubbish
Who would win in a 800m race right now between Alan Webb and ol’ Nick? I think Alan would take him down.
The question is wrote:
Who would win in a 800m race right now between Alan Webb and ol’ Nick? I think Alan would take him down.
and what about Nick vs Sage Canaday
callaghan _ jj wrote:
I bet my ass that it's fake...the time or lenght, and i'm not surprised.
Most YouTube videos are staged, right, but you can't fake HR (if it was his actual HR and not just faked as well). As 35-year old, the 201 he reached MUST be his max or extremely close to it, reaching this after just 600-800m is clearly an uber all-out effort. Most runners would need to do a very hard 1k first before being able to reach their max in the next one.
Also, it's much easier to reach max HR on a hill or in longer reps.
I'm in the camp of those who think Nick makes entertaining videos.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Xbdhdhdh wrote:
This makes me so curious about fitness/talent/training.
The 2:15 opener should, from my experience, be totally effortless for him. Even if he is totally sedentary.
I’ve got a 154 800 PB, am 4 years older than Nick, and could now beat him in a 1k/mile.
It’s just weird.
He hit over 200 HR in this run, which is crazy for a 35-year old. It means his blood volume is incredibly low at the moment.
His max HR when he was super fit with high blood volume was probably lower than 180. These days, his heart just has to bump SOOO many times to distribute the little blood he still has left compared to his prime days where he did lots of aerobic conditioning.
His anaerobic system is now very weak too - he did 59-60 in his 800, if his anaerobic system would still be great he could have went out much faster.
Just goes to show again how overrated talent is, without training he is just another average Joe. What made him good was love for the sport and the consistent striving for perfection and steady diet of mileage and speed. Yes, not everyone can be a 1:42 guy, but many people can be MUCH faster than they are if they would only put in 10 years of good, progressive, highest-quality training.
Now what would have been great would to have seen Eliud's heart rate or those of his pacesetters.
I agree with your statement and seeing his heart rate for me really made this video.
Mikeh33 wrote:
Xbdhdhdh wrote:
This makes me so curious about fitness/talent/training.
The 2:15 opener should, from my experience, be totally effortless for him. Even if he is totally sedentary.
I’ve got a 154 800 PB, am 4 years older than Nick, and could now beat him in a 1k/mile.
It’s just weird.
That is a good point. I suspect that Symmonds is doing a lot of sprint training, and isn’t training the slower muscle fibers. So he can run a 1:59 800 meters, but a 2:50 1K is very hard. The muscle fibers for the slower, more controlled, effort are just not very fit right now.
Good point, indeed. As a masters runner I did 2:07 last year, training hard and focusing on the 800. Nowhere near out-of-shape Nick. The same year I did 2:4x in my only 1000 ever, indoors, not running any harder than Nick looks to be here.
Hayduke wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Very cool video. The guy has the personality for media. Don't know why the IAAF doesn't use him instead of saddling us with the usual grey characters. So many missed opportunities.
His personality is too unpredictable for media. You need grey or the sjw’s will flip out over every other thing he says.
Quite the opposite.
His viewpoints (LGBTQ ally, pro-Semenya, etc) will cause panic attacks among right-wing conservative snowflakes, not SJWs. SJWs love him.
You are totally out of it.
I enjoyed the video but he said in it that he thinks Kipchoge's HR is 140 at the beginning of the marathon. Really? That seems WAY low to me.
What do most people have the HR at during a marathon? When I was competing no one had a HR watch so I don't know.
rojo wrote:
I enjoyed the video but he said in it that he thinks Kipchoge's HR is 140 at the beginning of the marathon. Really? That seems WAY low to me.
What do most people have the HR at during a marathon? When I was competing no one had a HR watch so I don't know.
140 in the first few k's of a marathon is a pretty good guess. Kipchoge's max HR will be very low due to exceptional blood volume and a really strong heart / big left ventricle size, I assume it would be around 170. MP is normally around 84-87% of max HR for a runner, for an elite like Kipchoge it will be higher, around 90% which is closer to threshold (for normal person, 88-92%, for elite marathoners threshold is at 90-94% of max HR).
I think he starts at 140, slowly getting up to spend most of it in the high 150s, 160, and finishing in mid 160s.
Keep in mind, while lots of aerobic and threshold training will decrease max HR, it is still highly individual - so Kipchoge could have his max HR at 170 or 175, but the % of his threshold and MP would just be the same as for other very well trained elite runners.
Amateur runners often have higher max HR's (low blood volume, etc) but run a marathon at a MUCH lower % of their max HR - they can't sustain the same intensity as elites, even if you would cap their marathons to a 125 minute run like elites. So Kipchoge might do 160 HR at 90% of his max, whereas a recreational runner is doing 125 minutes at only 85% of his max, but also with 160 HR because his max is higher.
El Keniano wrote:
Time to leave this place wrote:
This was a cool video. The toxicity on this site is really getting tiresome.
Very cool video. The guy has the personality for media. Don't know why the IAAF doesn't use him instead of saddling us with the usual grey characters. So many missed opportunities.
True.
I've just seen this video...and then........I came here to look for this thread and voila!
I agree......it is a nice video. I wish he had pushed it to a mile.
I didnt know Will was married to Aisha.
Very nice analysis. Thanks for contributing. Much more enjoyable than Debby Downer comments.
wisenheimer at work wrote:
great video. he's not afraid to show something that he can't do so well. a few days ago he ran 800m in sub 2. how long could brazier keep up the pace?
Brazier puts on that he’s not a runner in the sense of doing miles and longer races. But best believe if their was an incentive($$) for him to attempt the 4:33 pace I’m positive he could run at least 4-5 miles at this pace. He ran 3:37 in his only 1500 this season, I’m positive that on a track running 68 second 400s would be a jog for him.
wisenheimer at work wrote:
great video. he's not afraid to show something that he can't do so well. a few days ago he ran 800m in sub 2. how long could brazier keep up the pace?
Sub 800 my a$$. He still hasn't uploaded the drone footage. It never happened and this video proves it. His HR was 196+ running a 2:15, 800, there is no way he ran a 1:59. The way his chunky little butt was waddling at that pace, there is zero chance he could or did run sub 2.
Where's the video Nicky?