Is there a new form of EPO out (or something better?)

Doping Detector wrote:

Hassan, Kipchoge, Bekele, now Kosgei.

Not to mention the likes of Edris and Big Mac going from also-rans mid season to back to their best within weeks for Doha.

It's just getting crazier and crazier.

Is there a new form of EPO out, or maybe some new endurance drug even better? I've heard that SARMS are what's hot right now, some say the GW thing is way more effective even than EPO, although it gives your body 100 different tumors within a few years of dosing on it.

Or maybe it can be explained by the cheater shoes and other tech doping (in addition)?

Out of these only Hassan (which I will not discuss here) is connected to a coach/running club that violated anti-doping laws. We can't just assume that any good performance was due to doping.

Kosgei is a raw distance-talent, she does not have much speed but really excels at the longer races. She can race at a very high percentage of her VO2MAX and her threshold is just amazing.

Bekele is the best distance runner of all time. Someone just IS the best. His stride, genetics, VO2MAX, treshold all are excellent even compared to the other best runners in the world. You realize how talented someone is when he can just drop 15 lbs over a few months without training super hard and throw down a 2:01. That's what a true 12:37/26:17 runner is capable of, you really think he somehow evaded the WADA for all these years?

Kipchoge was cheating, but it was simply announcing a lower age when he beat the Two Great's in Paris than he actually was. He didn't know his exact age himself, he said he was only one year older, I think it was more like 2-4 years older than the 18 he was supposed to be. I don't think he cared much when he entered his age at that time. He has been at the top too for 20 years consistently - if he would be doping his body over 20 years, there is no way he could still hammer a sub 2. That's talent + hard work.

Speed peptides, HGH, ketone drinks and micro doses.

Yes, Roxadustat is both better and safer. It just completed a massive set of phase III clinical trials (conducted by Fibrogen and its partner Astro-Zeneca) and the companies will be using that data to apply for approval from the FDA this month.

Although roxadustat has originally been tested for use in anemia caused by kidney disease, it will end up being used for all sorts of diseases--and by every athlete in every sport.

Roxadustat is basically altitude training in a pill, and I'm not just making that up. That's literally its mode of action. It mimics the effects of altitude on the body, triggering the body to safely respond. Medically, it's looking like it will be a miracle drug. Within 10 years, there won't even be a market for EPO.

Given the mammoth size of the clinical trials, I imagine it's surely possible for cheating-minded athletes/coaches to get their hands on some, and that will become waaay easier once it's on the market in 2020. However, for now, my hunch is that we are mostly looking at a combination of 1) cheater shoes, 2) ridiculous new tracks (Doha, Monaco), and 3) EPO being readily available in African pharmacies where there is no effort to do anything about the problem.

Over the next year or two, roxadustat will be a much bigger problem than EPO.

What about Kosgei's association with the Rosas?

no.just the usual concoction of epo,blood doping,steroids and hgh.

There is no way the fastest runners are clean in a doped era. Talent doesn't beat talent +doping.

Armstronglivs wrote:

There is no way the fastest runners are clean in a doped era. Talent doesn't beat talent +doping.

Who is more likely to dope, those at the top who make millions of dollars, provide a fantastic life to their families OR those who are not good/talented enough to be good but want to get there to save their families and their own life?

We have reached levels in T&F in the last 20 years that weren't here before. Records will continue to be broken, due to advancement in training methods, genetics (kids of sporty parents are often more athletic), legal supplements and technical advancements.

Yes, there are some very dubious WR like the Chinese women, or 400/800m women, but I wouldn't count out runners like Kipchoge or Bekele just yet. Trust me, if you believe in the integrity of their performances and in those whoever break them in the future you will enjoy watching and following T&F much more. Cycling pretty much become hard to watch after Armstrong, Ullrich, Pantani, etc all got busted and everyone realized that all their idols and their great performances were all fake.

it doesn't work in Kenyans living and training at altitude

Doping Detector wrote:

Hassan, Kipchoge, Bekele, now Kosgei.

Not to mention the likes of Edris and Big Mac going from also-rans mid season to back to their best within weeks for Doha.

It's just getting crazier and crazier.

Is there a new form of EPO out, or maybe some new endurance drug even better? I've heard that SARMS are what's hot right now, some say the GW thing is way more effective even than EPO, although it gives your body 100 different tumors within a few years of dosing on it.

Or maybe it can be explained by the cheater shoes and other tech doping (in addition)?

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I don't know any of the athletes personally and I haven't been to their training camps. However, I have been a big fan of the sport for several decades. I would bet the mortgage this spate of recent eye-popping performances is not the result of natural progression or evolution. Or shoe technology, for that matter. While doping has been an issue in distance running for decades, we've sunk to the depths of PED use that plagued cycling around the Lance Armstrong era. Just a complete and utter sham.

It’s the same drugs, just now they aren’t testing certain athletes.

Same as it ever was. Just more.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Someone just IS the best.

This is too often overlooked when it comes to athletics. With other sports the superhuman performances are praised. In athletics they are demonized.

my guess is everyone is doing something that is out of their system before they even finish their race. crazy!

Bekele has been the greatest since he was very young. He came in young at an good age for running in cross, started dominated track and peaked physically around 23 years old and started to decline with injury and age at around 28 years old.

I don't know if he is doping or not, like for everyone else we can't be sure but he is not suspicious. Everything is great about him and has always been.

Take Mo Farah, this is the contrary. He was a journeyman until 28 years old then suddenly started to win everything while being at the very suspicious NOP camp. As we all know, you don't turn an journeyman into a world and olympic champion. This is very very strange and there are big doubts over him.

Nope. It is still EPO. There isn’t anything better, it is all about avoiding a positive test. In most cases it is not a problem as no testing is done.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Who is more likely to dope, those at the top who make millions of dollars, provide a fantastic life to their families OR those who are not good/talented enough to be good but want to get there to save their families and their own life?

it seems obvious that the ones with success due to doping would be the ones making millions etc...

Doping Detector wrote:

Is there a new form of EPO out, or maybe some new endurance drug even better?

Racist. It's because they are running 2 miles each way to school every day and being chased by lions in Africa. They are naturally more conditioned to running long distances and have it much harder than Americans.

Then you might ask why these new Africans are demolishing old African records? Well, it's because they moved the schools even further away and now they are running 4 miles each way to school and getting chased by more lions.

Galen Rupp took the bus to school.