Unless eliud kipchoges sub 2 attempt has a DOWNHILL gradient, then it should ABSOLUTELY qualify as an official world record

Vee-wing wrote:

Barbarian wrote:

Don't forget the Tesla that will protect the rabbits from any headwind

And the rabbits running in a protective vee-wing formation.

And the shoes with THREE carbon fiber plates acting as springs to propel him along the way.

PSA wrote:

The San Antonio coach brags about running quite slowly and doesn't understand the rules of the sport.

Yes, another mindless fool who doesn't have the equivalent of a grain of mustard of an idea of what he is talking about. Those species abound a lot in these forums.

Barbarian wrote:

Radcliffe 2:15 record is for mixed event.

Is that performance in the world top 5000? - how come got paid so much money when nowhere near the top of the mixed rankings?

D.Katz wrote:

Actually the Monza event was a bonafide competition Sanctioned by the Italian Athletic's Federation. There where three athletes all treated equally. The fact that there were pace setters coming in and out plus other technical difference only prevented the performances to be used for records, rankings, and qualifying for other events.

I am surprised by this. I thought that for an event to be sanctioned it had to agree to follow all IAAF regulations. Below is the definition of sanctioning from Athletics Canada (I assume the Italian definition is similar).

The purpose of sanctioning is to communicate to race participants, event partners and the general public that a designated event is being conducted in a fair, safe and responsible manner, in accordance with the rules and standards of the sport based on the nature of event being offered and where the event is registered as a competitive event, results achieved will be recognized by other national governing bodies for the sport and the IAAF.

At first reading it looks like the only way to achieve sanctioned status for Monza is to register the race as a non-competitive event.

Will there be any live coverage for us to see?

Sofa pizza wrote:

Will there be any live coverage for us to see?

It's supposed to be broadcast live on YouTube but I don't know the details. This is their YouTube channel:

You make a good point but how many meets have you been to where they don't have electronic blocks, wind gauges, plasticene, drug testing, etc. There are rules and then there are "mission critical rules".

If you allow that for record purposes, then you would have races from 800 m to 10,000 m where lapped runners take over pacing duties at different stages all the way to the end.

D.Katz wrote:

You make a good point but how many meets have you been to where they don't have electronic blocks, wind gauges, plasticene, drug testing, etc. There are rules and then there are "mission critical rules".

Good points, and true. I imagine that World and National records are only likely to be set at major events with deep enough pockets to meet all the rules and requirements. But I imaging some State / Provincial records, or age group records, could be achieved at minor meets. I assume the relevant records committee review the meet and determine if the meet met the spirit of the law if not the exact letter of the law.

the430miler wrote:

To my understanding, the reason under IAAF rules that his attempt will not qualify as a WR is because he has special place setters and rabbits. Uh......ok? All marathons and track races have pace setters and uncover rabbits.

The fact is......unless this marathon in vienna has an extremely downhill gradient, same as a 100 meter race that has a big tailwind, unless that is the case, then this should absolutely qualify as an official world record for him. Period.

-the430miler

Mentality>physicality

San Antonio university coach

No rule against rabbits, but they are required to start the race and cannot jump in halfway or at the 30km mark. So that violates one rule right there. I don't think Nike has ever suggested it should be up for WR consideration.

D.Katz wrote:

Actually the Monza event was a bonafide competition Sanctioned by the Italian Athletic's Federation. There where three athletes all treated equally. The fact that there were pace setters coming in and out plus other technical difference only prevented the performances to be used for records, rankings, and qualifying for other events.

Bonafide competition? Was anyone else racing him for the win? Perhaps the race needed sanctioning for some reason, but this was not a competition.

Barbarian wrote:

Don't forget the Tesla that will protect the rabbits from any headwind

There will be no headwind...the conditions will be calm air thus a reason that there is a window for the event and not a date and time. It will be like the D Day invasion in that a meteorologist will make the determination on when to go.

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

I agree with this. There are minimal differences between this and Paula's 2:15. She had rabbits the entire way.

She didn't have drinks at any time during the race, but really? There are tons of drink stations in regular marathons, and it's not like this makes it easier.

The rest of it is contrived but time trial races are perfectly legal for record attempts.

No, no they are not at least not set up like this. (I know we often called events set up in Diamond League events to go for a WR as a time trial, but those are still run in accordance with IAAF rules).

Barbarian wrote:

Radcliffe 2:15 record is for mixed event.

For women only event, it's not recognized.

I think it is recognized, but just distinguished from a women's only start/race.

Both are listed.

Vee-wing wrote:

Barbarian wrote:

Don't forget the Tesla that will protect the rabbits from any headwind

And the rabbits running in a protective vee-wing formation.

That in and of itself is not against any rule that I am aware of.

Thoughts wrote:

And if Bekele were able to run it. Kipchoge would be the second person to break 2 hours.

Pretty sure Bekele is a bit knackered from his Berlin race...

There were a total of 3 athletes who raced the full distance and yes there were awards.

Raddison wrote:

D.Katz wrote:

You make a good point but how many meets have you been to where they don't have electronic blocks, wind gauges, plasticene, drug testing, etc. There are rules and then there are "mission critical rules".

Good points, and true. I imagine that World and National records are only likely to be set at major events with deep enough pockets to meet all the rules and requirements. But I imaging some State / Provincial records, or age group records, could be achieved at minor meets. I assume the relevant records committee review the meet and determine if the meet met the spirit of the law if not the exact letter of the law.

When Webb set the American mile record it was done at a low key track meet in Belgium. I have heard of situations where a record is set but no drug testing is available so it cannot be ratified or where a drug tester is called and told to get somewhere ASAP to get a sample for record purposes. (I cannot remember the female US distance runner, Emma Coburn?, who could not get the AR ratified because the meet had not set up drug testing).

Science over substance wrote:

Vee-wing wrote:

And the rabbits running in a protective vee-wing formation.

And the shoes with THREE carbon fiber plates acting as springs to propel him along the way.

Yeah I’m concerned over this. Hopefully these shoes are banned, I think Kiochoge will set an ridiculous time at this event which will elude real marathons for a long time. Hope to see Bekele vs Kipchoge at the Olympics next year in a real race.