bleu wrote:
Why is Hall posting this BS?
Is Sarah and his kids Dr. Brown patients too?
You do know that he posted that 6 1/2 years ago, right?
bleu wrote:
Why is Hall posting this BS?
Is Sarah and his kids Dr. Brown patients too?
You do know that he posted that 6 1/2 years ago, right?
old post,2013.
uyner wrote:
https://nikeoregonproject.com/blogs/news/alberto-statement
Did he have Lance write that for him?
Ruprecht wrote:
The reason Saladbar was a 'gray area" doper was because Nike & Phil Knight provided the resources ($$$$$) for him to be a "gray area" doper. It takes a lot more sophistication and resources ($$$$$$$) to be a "gray area" doper, than a black zone doper.
Nike could have taken the lead in fighting doping & dopers (cancelled contracts, etc) but they never have. To be fair, NFL & MLB have done little about doping in their sports.
If you are going to call Saladbar a sociopath, what do you call Phil Knight?
^^^^^Nailed it. Nike could have taken the lead. I've always argued that. Instad you've got Alberto emailing the CEO of the company about his latest idea to get a chemical edge in competition.
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bladerunner wrote:
Hassan was a 3:56 runner before she joined NOP. Now, she's a 3:55 runner. If she's using, it's not helping. Hassan's improved kick might be due to what looks like significant weight loss. But, whatever, posters on this board are just giddy about this news. It 's like the French revolution: guilty or not, everyone in the general vicinity will be decapitated.
Yeah, but she just ran the last 1500 of a 30 minute 10000 in 3:59. And that would have been even faster if not for all the lapped athletes. She broke the mile record and is now running half marathons at the very top level. So yeah, it must not be working. Lastly, let me know of anyone else who can run the 10000 at a honest effort, that is close to their max and finish the last 1500 within 2% of their 1500 PB.
Of all the things, this is NOT one. Hassan running a 65' half IS. Hassan running a mile world record IS. To be clear, this is not Hassan doping apology, as a WR holder and top athlete, she probably is.
The race though....that is not crazy. Scale it to yourself. She ran the first 8.5k of the race at a hair over 5:00 mile pace. Her HM PR (roads) is 65'....also 5' mile pace. So she ran, on the track, her road HM pace, for 5 miles, than raced a 1500.
Think about your HM PR. Think about running that pace on the track for 5 miles (in Hassan's case it's even easier because she has drafting benefits), then think about running 1500 all out. You'll quickly realize you'd be fresh as a daisy and able to rip out a 1500m easily within 5-10s of your best.
My comment will be lost but anyway...
USADA has done great witch hunt to burn Salazar's career to dust for some laughable carnitine infusions and testo gel experiments while all others use EPO and steroids like bread and butter. You Americans are like envious neighbors ready to eat alive your own guy for anything. Worst part is now lot's of great athletes will be trashed around the board for just being couched by Salazar who really has done nothing more wrong than any other and infact was regularly communicating USADA to check if he's not crossing the line. The fact that he used carnitine proves only that he never did the heavyweight stuff. WADA has become a joke, distributing 4 year bans around for food supplements that general population uses daily and in the same time proving they are not able to catch any real fish. I feel sorry for Salazar and his athletes.
Klosterhalfen has always been coached by Pete Julian
I've always found the way that Galen was coddled and protected for his entire career to be cringeworthy. The whole stupid story of him being discovered on a soccer field, and of him being 'special' and a diamond in the rough was always embellished. I do feel bad that he was suckered in and influenced by Salazar as a teenager, but he could have departed at any time as an adult.
What also saddens me is Jordan. Jordan could have left NOP. She had four years to do it. She seems like a great person and a hard working athlete, but she sacrificed her integrity to stay with NOP, and also defended Salazar in the process. It will always be a mystery to my as to why she chose to do that.
Neva Ejukatid wrote:
neva tested wrote:
Try a real testing positive. Not something made up by your friends trolling on Google.
Try 1999 TDF tested positive for corticosteroids. Fact.
....Lance's doctor then produced a medical prescription, exempting him. The UCI ACCEPTED it as legitimate. It wasnt until this was uncovered by USADA investigation in 2012 that the prescription was backdated and that the UCI actually knew this but allowed him to continue tour.
Again, 1999 TDF. No EPO test yet in 99.
Frozen B samples, retested in 2005 however revealed that 1999 tdf riders were mostly free of EPO in fear of another 98'. (the year before the "Cofidis affair" where whole teams were booted following massive find behind tour busses. EPO, HGH, cortisone, strroids, actovegin, and even gots blood and heroin were found in a team trainers car)....except 15 out of 205 samples. ....these b samples were not identified by the name of the riders however but coded to protect the integrity of the process. Only the rider could allow the codes to be released. But when a French journalist reviewed the 2005 results he had a "gotcha" plan to trick Lance into alliwinf access to his 99 codes. The journalist bet that LA would be so cocky and confident that he woyld say, "sure, you can have my codes".
Well 9 out of the 15 positives belonged to LA.
This was the initial event that brought scepticism to LA and led Tailwind to bring LA to court to successfully recover their $$$ for bogus performance winnings.
Lance definitely failed drug tests.
They just never came to light until later.
This isnt heresay or WikipediaGoogle BS.
These are facts
You are flailing and failing because he did not test positive according to the people who get to make those decisions.
Your score is 0/10.
It's almost midnight in the US and I"m exhausted and the staff in Doha is even more tired as it's 7 am there. So I'm going to go bed. The decisions are both out. I've only skimmed the Alberto one. Maybe while I sleep people can read them and find the key takeaways. The conclusion of Alberto's is actually very pro-Alberto considering they are handing him a 4-year ban. It appears the believe he actually did the tesosterone experiment legitimately to see if Rupp could be sabotaged after Rupp allegedly had something rubbed on him at a meet by Chris Whetstine. Their are contemperaneous emails backing that claim up. That being said, it's clear the L-Carnitine stuff was clearly illegal. But here s the conclusion. What I don't get it is it seems to ignore the l-carinitine which was a clear violation in my book.
USADA wrote:
The Panel notes that the Respondent does not appear to have been motivated by any bad
intention to commit the violations the Panel found. In fact, the Panel was struck by the
amount of care generally taken by Respondent to ensure that whatever new technique or
method or substance he was going to try was lawful under the World Anti-Doping Code,
with USADA’s witness characterizing him as the coach they heard from the most with
respect to trying to ensure that he was complying with his obligations. The Panel has
taken pains to note that Respondent made unintentional mistakes that violated the rules,
apparently motivated by his desire to provide the very best results and training for athletes
under his care. Unfortunately, that desire clouded his judgment in some instances, when
his usual focus on the rules appears to have lapsed. The Panel is required to apply the
relevant law, the World Anti-Doping Code and its positive law enactments in the rules of
international sports federations, in discharging its duty, and here that required the Panel
to find the violations it did
See them here:
https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/Salazar-AAA-Decision-1.pdfhttps://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/Brown_Final-Award.pdfLEt me know what you find as I sleep.
Quick, someone give me the pro-saladbar hot takes. I wanna p*ss off running twitter.
I'm amused that we had all this information already available in the report, no new information has come out. But suddenly, people are jumping all over Salazar and crucifying him. To be fair, I don't have a problem with this. I'm just baffled the reaction is magically stronger now despite no change in the actual available information.
That said, people keep wondering what this means for his athletes. Salazar went down seems like for primarily the three things:
Testing L Carnitine Infusions
Trafficking Testosterone
We know Salazar tested and trafficked testosterone on his son. We don't know if Salazar did any of this for his athletes. We also don't know if his athletes had any knowledge of this. It's absolutely possible for Salazar to be banned as a sketchy/cheat coach, without his athletes being cheaters themselves. Knowing Salazar, it's also possible that he "sabotaged" athletes without their knowledge, e.g. rubbing testosterone cream or other such things.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Everyone at the top in every sport worth a darn dopes. Accept it. Move on. Enjoy the fireworks show.
Alan
This should be the top post for time immemorial. It is always been this way, and it shall remain so.
pathetic Al wrote:
uyner wrote:
https://nikeoregonproject.com/blogs/news/alberto-statementDid he have Lance write that for him?
I would believe he used a certain person who is addicted to Tweeting to form his defensive response.
The only thing Salazar confirms in his "statement" is that he held off the inevitable for six years.
rojo wrote:
Ruprecht wrote:
The reason Saladbar was a 'gray area" doper was because Nike & Phil Knight provided the resources ($$$$$) for him to be a "gray area" doper. It takes a lot more sophistication and resources ($$$$$$$) to be a "gray area" doper, than a black zone doper.
Nike could have taken the lead in fighting doping & dopers (cancelled contracts, etc) but they never have. To be fair, NFL & MLB have done little about doping in their sports.
If you are going to call Saladbar a sociopath, what do you call Phil Knight?
^^^^^Nailed it. Nike could have taken the lead. I've always argued that. Instad you've got Alberto emailing the CEO of the company about his latest idea to get a chemical edge in competition.
Nike lawyers managed to delay the hammer-drop ban for two years. Not Salazar lawyers. Nike lawyers.
rojo wrote:
It's almost midnight in the US and I"m exhausted and the staff in Doha is even more tired as it's 7 am there. So I'm going to go bed.
The decisions are both out. I've only skimmed the Alberto one. Maybe while I sleep people can read them and find the key takeaways.
The conclusion of Alberto's is actually very pro-Alberto considering they are handing him a 4-year ban. It appears the believe he actually did the tesosterone experiment legitimately to see if Rupp could be sabotaged after Rupp allegedly had something rubbed on him at a meet by Chris Whetstine. Their are contemperaneous emails backing that claim up.
That being said, it's clear the L-Carnitine stuff was clearly illegal.
But here s the conclusion. What I don't get it is it seems to ignore the l-carinitine which was a clear violation in my book.
USADA wrote:
The Panel notes that the Respondent does not appear to have been motivated by any bad
intention to commit the violations the Panel found. In fact, the Panel was struck by the
amount of care generally taken by Respondent to ensure that whatever new technique or
method or substance he was going to try was lawful under the World Anti-Doping Code,
with USADA’s witness characterizing him as the coach they heard from the most with
respect to trying to ensure that he was complying with his obligations. The Panel has
taken pains to note that Respondent made unintentional mistakes that violated the rules,
apparently motivated by his desire to provide the very best results and training for athletes
under his care. Unfortunately, that desire clouded his judgment in some instances, when
his usual focus on the rules appears to have lapsed. The Panel is required to apply the
relevant law, the World Anti-Doping Code and its positive law enactments in the rules of
international sports federations, in discharging its duty, and here that required the Panel
to find the violations it did
See them here:
https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/Salazar-AAA-Decision-1.pdfhttps://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/Brown_Final-Award.pdfLEt me know what you find as I sleep.
Yea, that's interesting. It does look somewhat favorably on Salazar. It's also encouraging for his athletes, as it increases the probability they themselves were not doping, or doped by their coach.
Salazar was clearly looking for every possible inch of benefit. There is enough there to at least be skeptical of the idea that Salazar was 100% trying to dope his athletes illegally.
qw wrote:
My comment will be lost but anyway...
USADA has done great witch hunt to burn Salazar's career to dust for some laughable carnitine infusions and testo gel experiments while all others use EPO and steroids like bread and butter. You Americans are like envious neighbors ready to eat alive your own guy for anything. Worst part is now lot's of great athletes will be trashed around the board for just being couched by Salazar who really has done nothing more wrong than any other and infact was regularly communicating USADA to check if he's not crossing the line. The fact that he used carnitine proves only that he never did the heavyweight stuff. WADA has become a joke, distributing 4 year bans around for food supplements that general population uses daily and in the same time proving they are not able to catch any real fish. I feel sorry for Salazar and his athletes.
Sleazy Sal used testosterone on his athletes, not just L-Carnitine. Testosterone is definitely “heavyweight stuff”.
Chobits wrote:
Oh dear.
But........ Hassan?!
Wild wild stuff.
Of course, the big dawgs (Kenya and Ethiopia) remain mostly unscathed.
Has a Saladbar athlete ever actually tested positive?
It's really easy to pass a drug test. They're more intelligence tests than anything else. Just look at Lance Armstrong.
LetsRun.com wrote:
The main details:
-Salazar had been under investigation by USADA since the BBC/ProPublica report in 2015
-Salazar and Dr. Jeffrey Brown were charged by USADA in March 2017. They fought the case with Nike-paid lawyers and it went to arbitration.
-Per the BBC's Mark Daly, "the violations relate to banned steroids, prohibited methods and tampering with evidence to thwart investigators."
Here's what Salazar and Brown were banned for, per USADA
The panel determined that Salazar committed the following violations of the Code:
-Administration of a Prohibited Method (with respect to an infusion in excess of the applicable limit),
-Tampering and/or attempted tampering with NOP athletes’ doping control process, and
-Trafficking and/or Attempted Trafficking of testosterone.
The panel determined that Brown violated anti-doping rules by:
-Tampering with L-carnitine records under WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) Code Art. 2.5 (2009 & 2015), which carries a sanction of 2 years WADA Code Art. 10.3.1 (2009), and 4 years under WADA Code Art. 10.3.1 (2015).
-Administration of an over-limit L-carnitine infusion under WADA Code Art. 2.8 (2009 & 2015), which carries a minimum sanction of 4 years up to a maximum lifetime ban under WADA Code Art. 10.3.2 (2009) and WADA Code Art. 10.3.3 (2015).
-Complicity in Salazar’s trafficking of testosterone under WADA Code Art. 2.8 (2009) and WADA Code Art. 2.9 (2015). Under WADA Code Art. 10.3.2 (2009), a complicity violation carries a minimum sanction of 4 years up to a maximum lifetime ban. Under WADA Code Art. 10.3.4 (2015), a complicity violation carries a sanction of 2 to 4 years.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/49882757USADA statement:
https://www.usada.org/sanction/aaa-panel-4-year-sanctions-alberto-salazar-jeffrey-brown/
you have a "pro NOP" moderator deleting half the posts . this is funny .
robert678 wrote:
It's really easy to pass a drug test.
^ the voice of personal experience
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