doesnt matter who's resting, that's pretty insane.
doesnt matter who's resting, that's pretty insane.
Which sport? Cross Country?
bruhhh wrote:
doesnt matter who's resting, that's pretty insane.
Georgetown isn't what it used to be.
bruhhh wrote:
doesnt matter who's resting, that's pretty insane.
It does matter who's resting, actually. Beating the JV squad on their tempo run isn't "insane."
just some real thoughts wrote:
bruhhh wrote:
doesnt matter who's resting, that's pretty insane.
It does matter who's resting, actually. Beating the JV squad on their tempo run isn't "insane."
No, that is insane. A DI program, especially one supposed to be a regional and one-time national power, should never send 5 athletes to the line and lose to a DIII program.
That result is far worse than most of these early season meets of zero import that teams run to mark the opening of a comp season.
This ”tempo” excuse is the lamest in sports . Ever hear of a football or basketball team say “ Oh, we lost but we were just tempo-ing in the game.”? For that matter, ever hear a professional runner say they were just doing a tempo? If you don’t race when you put on the uniform you don’t deserve to wear the uniform.
They also beat American and GW.
Pro runners also don’t race as much and enter in meaningless races during the season, think about it smart guy
just some real thoughts wrote:
bruhhh wrote:
doesnt matter who's resting, that's pretty insane.
It does matter who's resting, actually. Beating the JV squad on their tempo run isn't "insane."
Would a DIII football squad beat Ohio State's second string? A DI team should have the talent top to bottom to beat any DIII.
Yerr wrote:
Pro runners also don’t race as much and enter in meaningless races during the season, think about it smart guy
Blah blah blah if it is a meaningless race why are you in it ? If racing for your school is meaningless why are you on the team ? 5 races a year is not much , bumblebee. Time to get a little tougher .
Alex87 wrote:
just some real thoughts wrote:
It does matter who's resting, actually. Beating the JV squad on their tempo run isn't "insane."
Would a DIII football squad beat Ohio State's second string? A DI team should have the talent top to bottom to beat any DIII.
That's only half true. There are a lot of D1 teams that have zero scholarships. Johns Hopkins has more resources than most schools in the east coast. Johns Hopkins is also a school that can recruit nationally because of it's name and reputation. There are going to be really fast runners that would be going to Johns Hopkins regardless of whether or not it has an XC team.
I agree that it's inexcusable for Georgetown to lose to Johns Hopkins in any situation. But Hopkins should be beating some of the smaller D1 schools.
Alex87 wrote:
just some real thoughts wrote:
It does matter who's resting, actually. Beating the JV squad on their tempo run isn't "insane."
Would a DIII football squad beat Ohio State's second string? A DI team should have the talent top to bottom to beat any DIII.
Why does it matter?
So lame that Hopkins left the UAA - too tired of getting their butts kicked by WashU and CMU, instead they want to beat up on scrubs like Ursinus and Gettysburg. Sad!
That was not Georgetowns JV, they are just not very good. I also know some of the Hopkins runners were running a tempo.
Cross Country isn't basketball or football with a win loss record that makes every game matter equally.
In cross country you have to be at your best at the end of the year.
In cross country, especially for division 1, the meets "don't even count toward nationals points" yet, so early meets are inconsequential to the goal.
In cross country, every meet that is not a "point scoring toward nationals" meet is just like a pre-season NFL game. You may or may not play your starters at all, you may or may not race at full intensity. Early meets are basically specific practices.
In cross country, the ability to practice with your team before school starts is based on when your first "competition" is. So schools schedule an early meet, not for actual racing purposes, but so that they can bring the team in 10 days earlier for practice.
That said, Johns Hopkins is a division 3 powerhouse and they are legitimately better than many division 1 teams. They should be recognized and praised for that. And I for one don't know if Johns Hopkins raced fully in the meet, either.
But, if Johns Hopkins raced their A team all out, and Georgetown just sent their bottom of the roster just so the meet would "count" so they could bring their team to school early to train, then yes, the result is expected.
These are the things that make our sport hard to understand for the public....probably drives athletic administrators insane too. But let's not go overboard with the hyperbolic reactions.
The reality of the situation is that Johns Hopkins should be a Division I school. They have more resources than many DI schools. Sure, they do not offer athletic scholarships but everyone knows that schools like this find another way to get athletes on their team - they can simply offer academic money instead. It works the same way in the Ivy League; no athletic scholarships.
While Georgetown certainly should have been able to win the meet, Johns Hopkins is legit. There's no doubt Hopkins would get completely destroyed by high-level DI teams, but they're pulling in plenty of talent and would be highly competitive in most mid-major conferences. The fact that they can go compete for and win DIII titles (especially on the women's side) is what keeps Hopkins from transitioning to DI.
Hounddogharrier wrote:
This ”tempo” excuse is the lamest in sports . .
Agreed. Calling your race a tempo run is disrespectful and very poor sportsmanship. You are better than that.
If you want to train through inferior competition, then just train through them and keep it to yourself. Do the tempo run the day before your race, but whatever you do, race on race day.
From my college logs
10/10-10/16 145 miles
10/10 AM 10 miles easy PM 10 miles slow
10/11 AM 10 miles easy PM 3.5 mile warm-up; 8x800 XC (2:14,2:17,2:10,2:21,2:13,2:14,2:18,2:07) w/2:00 jog; 3.5 mile warm-down
10/12 AM 11 miles easy PM 11 miles moderate
10/13 AM 10 miles easy PM 3.5 mile warm-up; 4.5 mile fartlek; 3 mile warm-down
10/14 AM 11 miles easy PM 10 miles easy
10/15 AM 10 miles easy PM 10 miles easy
10/16 AM Penn State Handicap Race 3 mile warm-up; 5 mile XC in 24:01 (1st); 5 mile warm-down PM 7 miles easy
10/17-10/23 130 miles
10/17 AM 10 miles easy PM 10 miles easy
10/18 AM 9 miles easy PM 3 mile warm-up; 14x North Choke Hill; 3.5 mile warm-down
10/19 AM 10 miles easy PM 11 miles moderate
10/20 AM 10 miles easy PM 3 mile warm-up; 1 mile 4:34, 4x400(66),800(2:16),400(62); 3 mile warm-down
10/21 AM 10 miles easy PM 8 miles easy
10/22 AM 10 miles easy PM 10 miles easy
10/23 AM vs Georgetown, William & Mary 3 mile warm-up; 5 mile XC in 23:54.7 (1st, course record); 4 miles slow
Hopkins is the best distance team in Maryland, the rest of the so called Div. 1 programs are garbage in the crab state.
Does anyone who is critiquing Georgetown's "race" understand NCAA rules about the first meet of the season and when formal practice can begin? There is a short window preceding a team's first competition of the season for team's to have formal practice. It is something like 2 weeks (and there may be some other guidelines depending on when the semester starts). It is a very common practice for team's to participate in late August or early September meets that are very low key - shorter distances like 5Ks for the men or running with a B/C squad to be able to start official practice by a certain date and meet the NCAA requirements. How they "race" is all part of their coach's training plan...as is whether to hold back or not race any particular athlete.
I have no rooting interest for Georgetown but this common. Stanford, which doesn't start their semester until later in September, used to participate in the USF Invitational first week of September so they could head out for 2 weeks of camp before school started. They fielded a small team, ran it as a workout and met the NCAA requirements. These early season meets mean absolutely nothing which is one of the reason's they don't count for NCAA at large selection purposes.
blue jason wrote:
Hopkins is the best distance team in Maryland, the rest of the so called Div. 1 programs are garbage in the crab state.
This. Maryland's "program" is an absolute embarrassment. They might have a shot at winning the club nationals.