no mention of why he missed 3 tests in less than 12 months.
no mention of why he missed 3 tests in less than 12 months.
thoughts and prayers wrote:
no mention of why he missed 3 tests in less than 12 months.
He is always so arrogant. Only he doesn't have to follow the rules.
LetsRun.com wrote:
“I’m not a guy who takes any supplements at all, so I’m never concerned about taking drug tests, at any time. What has been widely reported concerning filing violations is simply not true. I am confident the upcoming hearing on September 4th will clear the matter and I will compete at World Championships in Doha this fall. Sometime after the hearing, I will be free to answer questions about the matter, but for now I must reserve and respect the process.”
Really? "respect the process". He should have thought about that after missing the first drug test.
If the powers that be have any brains at all they let this slide and let the worlds fastest human compete. Do what's best for business.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
LoneStarXC wrote:
He missed three tests. If they clear him, it would expose the whole process as being a clown show.
No it’s not that simple. The tester showed up at the facility, CC had stepped away and was on his way back. The tester refused to give CC extra time to show up, not even a minute. So since he didn’t show up within the 1 hour window he was marked as a no show. Keep in mind this is a random test, so no one had any idea that the tester was going to show up. The tester just happened to show up, because that is what do.
CC was just away at the time.
Now I’m sure CC and his camp are going to argue inconsistent standards, since other testers have given other athletes more time to show up, as well as track them down at other locations that weren’t listed. So why wasn’t CC given extra time like those athletes? It’s either a set standard by all or it isn’t. Period. I would be Arguing that all day long.
In other words, he had an entire hour to show up, and didn’t. He has an app where he could update his whereabouts, and he didn’t do that, either. And, I get it, one missed test can happen (although, it really shouldn’t). But Coleman missed two more tests before this most recent one, all in the last year. A two-year ban would be well-deserved.
When you're the current best sprinter in world with the ability to make million$ you don't just accidently missed three tests, there's got to be a reason.
Just like Sharapova's agent/manager who forgot that necessary heart medicine like meldonium was about to be banned by Westerners in WADA, someone is ultimately to blame.
casual obsever wrote:
Elvin wrote:
Just to clarify, missing the tests constitutes a violation in and of itself, correct? So nobody has to prove that he is doping, and the missed tests alone could be cause for sanctions?
Correct, normally, yes, two years is the new standard ban for three missed tests, but with enough money and lawyers and the star coach Drummond in your camp, you will likely get away with it.
Guess who was Drummond's coach? A little clue, he also coached Maurice Greene and the 400mH WR holder, a record that is 27 years old, and he admitted to taking steroids in the early 1970s to run the fastest 400m at sea level.
Not CC's fault wrote:
Just like Sharapova's agent/manager who forgot that necessary heart medicine like meldonium was about to be banned by Westerners in WADA, someone is ultimately to blame.
Don't know if you're trying to be witty or not, but if not, I think you missed the point of what the reason could be for missing three tests, the glowing light bulb is a hint.
thoughts and prayers wrote:
no mention of why he missed 3 tests in less than 12 months.
No you have the WHOLE year to miss three tests in.
big cheater wrote:
Probably safe to assume he was doping, otherwise he would not have missed his 3rd.
if you're glowing, easier to beat a 3rd whereabouts than a positive.
Hide off-site during the 1 hour window, if they show up stall them until the time expires, let them level the whereabouts charge while pretending to be on the way back.
Did Coleman actually show up while they were there? Are there reliable witnesses who say he barely missed them? How do we know he had any intention of going anywhere near them, just because he said he did?
with anglotrash owning the 'antidoping' agencies the only athletes that get 'caught' are used only for show, to make it seem the others passed rigorous testing and their 'victories' are 'legitimate'. they're not. anglotrash values the prestige it gets from these 'victories' immensly and would never let it go. ever. dopers. clowns
Whatley wrote:
If the powers that be have any brains at all they let this slide and let the worlds fastest human compete. Do what's best for business.
You have to think bigger though. It's bad for the credibility of the sport long term.
Not taking any position, but here are my comments, question, observations. I'm all for giving leniency to the innocent. WADA decided missing three tests is the right athlete/life balance between "things happen" and taking the anti-doping process seriously. I haven't seen all the details beyond the Drummond tweet and some rumors, so I will wait and see what more comes out. It sounds like not waiting a few minutes when you know the athlete is on his way back is a pretty dick-move on the part of the testers. But then again, doesn't the 1-hour whereabouts window mean you should be there the whole hour? (Honest question.) Are testers obligated to wait longer? Does it matter that other testers were not such dicks, going above and beyond their duty to get the athlete tested, rather than chalking up a missed test, despite the athlete's failure to comply with the whereabouts rule? It also sounds like he was double tested by two uncoordinated "ADOs" -- was he just tested the same day, and reasonably thought he could leave? That would sound like a reasonable argument. If not, leaving where you said you would be in your 1-hour window, when a tester shows up, sounds to me like a justified "missed test". Like others, I'm curious about the other two missed tests -- without which, he wouldn't be in this mess. I'm also curious what role Drummond is playing, as I understood he is in the middle of an eight year ban for possessing, trafficking, and administration of banned substances, until 16 Dec. 2022.
ex-runner wrote:
Whatley wrote:
If the powers that be have any brains at all they let this slide and let the worlds fastest human compete. Do what's best for business.
You have to think bigger though. It's bad for the credibility of the sport long term.
Subway Surfers wrote:
Guess who was Drummond's coach? A little clue, he also coached Maurice Greene and the 400mH WR holder, a record that is 27 years old, and he admitted to taking steroids in the early 1970s to run the fastest 400m at sea level.
Yeah... Greene, lolz. All one big happy family. Coleman is happy and proud that his Gatlin is also from UTenn. No wonder Mitchell is also still welcome - with Gatlin!
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9515546As I wrote in the other Coleman thread, Drummond's open involvement is potentially even more damning for the scene than one star missing three tests:
Drummond, 46, will serve an eight year period of ineligibility beginning on December 17, 2014, the date of the arbitration decision. Drummond’s sanction prohibits him from coaching, training or advising athletes and participating or coaching at any event sanctioned by USA Track &Field, the International Association of Athletics Federations or any other WADA Code signatory. This includes the U.S. Olympic, Pan American Games or Paralympic Games Trials, being a member of any U.S. Olympic, Pan American Games or Paralympic Team and having access to the training facilities of the USOC Training Centers or other programs and activities of the USOC including, but not limited to benefits, grants, awards or employment.
Maybe he was just there to hold a stopwatch, or to keep track of Coleman's paperwork, and argue with the tester...
And let's not forget that Drummond's apparently pointless ban was the official reason to let drug cheat Gay get away with only a one year ban. Drummond, Coleman, Mitchell, Gatlin, Gay... this is all such a bad joke.
ex-runner wrote:
Whatley wrote:
If the powers that be have any brains at all they let this slide and let the worlds fastest human compete. Do what's best for business.
You have to think bigger though. It's bad for the credibility of the sport long term.
Track can't afford to mess up the 100m in any big meet. Now if the guy had tested positive that would be different, but that isn't the case.
Give the guy a warning and give the sport what it needs, that being the best competing.
Pretty sure he has already had 2 warnings, each missed test notification should have served as a warning. 3 strikes and you are out, It shouldn't matter how big a name you are and I find it quite disheartening and disgusting that you can actually say that he should just be given a warning because he is the best, probably exactly why he is the best is the reason he has 3 times dodged the testers.
CC missed three tests in a period of 12 months and & should be banned, but the idea that he should not have missed these tests because 'thousands' of athletes manage to comply with this rule, is flawed.
You can miss so much tests, only if testers pay you a visit enough times in aforementioned period, if they come less that that you will neither have the "opportunity", nor the "need" to break this rule. And here is the problem, athletes are not tested at same frequency at all. Just look at USADA testing database...
In fact, an athlete that is willing to cheat would not even need (and would not allow himself) to reach three missed tests if he is not tested frequently...
Think about it, lets say that in a period of 12 month athlete A has been visited 13 times, but was only met 10 times, he is a cheater because he missed 3 tests.
Athlete B, in a 12 month period, has been visited 5 times but was only met 3 times, he is considered 'clean' because he missed only two tests (but we will never know anything about it).
Now, from what I understand, CC is tested out of competion quite frequently by several ADAs. What we need to know is whethter this high number of test is due to his no-shows history (did he have a few no-show and they decided to increase the testing around him because they grew suspicious?) or is this the standard procedure for an athlete of his caliber ?
What we need to look at, is, if over the years, the numbers of tests conducted on him has grown suddenly .
Think about it, if because of my history , I know that they will pay me a visit around 3 or 4 times, in the next 12 months, I will certainly not "need" to miss a test more than once, and will be able to parade as a 'clean' athlete, at least cleaner that the one who missed 3 out 15.
Because, of this, we need to look at patterns, and more importantly, at %age of missed tests
Standard defence for dopers: the testers screwed up. (And then there's - someone spiked my Gatorade, the beef tasted funny, I kissed a girl, the dog ate my homework, 'there was a fire, a terrible flood' (thanks, Joliet Jake)...)
+1 I’m with Whatley.
What’s bad for the credibility of the sport is an overemphasized preoccupation with doping that creeps into every conversation about current or historical performances.
The sports that are the most popular are interesting to watch because of what happens on the field/court/whatever.
Track fans seem to always want to say, “Well, Ingebritsen got 4th, but two guys in front of him have a coach that is too secretive, and another is from a country with lax doping control, so he was the fastest clean guy even though it looks like he wasn’t.”