Who murdered Jeffrey Epstein? Or was it actually a suicide? - The one and only Epstein thread

The person with the most to gain from a dead Epstein is not Clinton or Trump but Prince Andrew. He is always going to be in the publics eye as the Queen's son or the King's brother. That would always be an issue and he had more intimate relations with Epstein.

Which way da fake moon landing thread?

wejo wrote:

Tons of people For a long time believed in Lincoln assassination conspiracies

??? The Lincoln assassination was a conspiracy, well-documented after a thorough investigation. People, including a woman, were hung well after J.W. Booth was killed. Was that done in error?

You'd be better off mentioning how people believe JFK assassination theories, where the lone wolf scenario is still the official story.

Subway Surfers wrote:

The person with the most to gain from a dead Epstein is not Clinton or Trump but Prince Andrew. He is always going to be in the publics eye as the Queen's son or the King's brother. That would always be an issue and he had more intimate relations with Epstein.

not likely - he's 59 years old.

Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation of an event more likely to be the correct answer.

IF the Clintons (or someone acting on their behalf) are so good at killing people why didn't they have him killed before he was arrested. Sure would be easier to do it then than when he's in jail.

Two Words: Monica Lewinsky. How is she still around? If anyone would have been a prime target for being X'd out it's her, yet she is very much alive and kicking.

Conspiracy theories are goofy fun fantasy but not to be taken seriously. It's like those dramas that are loosely based on true events.

Nobody is saying Hillary Clinton showed up at the jail and forced a sheet around his neck. He wanted to commit suicide and decisions were made to allow him to do this. The decision to remove his cell mate just hours before his death, was an administrative decision. The guard was not a corrections officer. The camera was turned towards the hallway instead of towards the room. Oh, and all the documents relating to Virginia Roberts’ case were released Friday night. Fortunately, the might of the entire justice department is forcing an investigation.

What purpose would this dirtbag being alive actually serve?

I really believe all details will be known, then there would have been a penalty phase. Some would be calling for his death. Well, you got it.

EZ10Miler wrote:

Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation of an event more likely to be the correct answer.

IF the Clintons (or someone acting on their behalf) are so good at killing people why didn't they have him killed before he was arrested. Sure would be easier to do it then than when he's in jail.

Two Words: Monica Lewinsky. How is she still around? If anyone would have been a prime target for being X'd out it's her, yet she is very much alive and kicking.

Conspiracy theories are goofy fun fantasy but not to be taken seriously. It's like those dramas that are loosely based on true events.

You not only misinterpret Occam's Razor but essentially you ask that people suspend their critical thinking skills and accept the narrative of what the media propagandist's (professional liars) tell people to think. We literally could go on all day listing the hundreds of events that were once considered "conspiracy theories" that are now widely known to have been true.

What you are engaged in is a form of intellectual harassment that takes place daily in our public and private discourse through the pseudo argumentation consisting of accusing one's interlocutor of "conspiracy theorizing." It is, logically speaking, a mutation of the fallacious ad hominem approach, and is used simply as a tactic to silence legitimate doubt and dissent.

Calling someone a "conspiracy theorist" has proven to be successful in dismissing and discrediting challengers of the official narrative or rather the "official propaganda." This tactic has metastasized through our programmed populations and has compromised legitimate open investigation of all manner of political events. Having already long ago polluted journalistic discourse, the now ingrained reflex also hamstrings academic historical inquiry, especially of recent events. Simply put- you are gaslighting.

"Most people oversimplify Occam’s razor to mean the simplest answer is usually correct. But the real meaning, what the Franciscan friar William of Ockham really wanted to emphasize, is that you shouldn’t complicate, that you shouldn’t “stack” a theory if a simpler explanation was at the ready. Pare it down. Prune the excess."

- Harlan Coben

"My second concern about Occam’s Razor is just a matter of fact. The world is more complicated than any of us would have been likely to conceive. Some particles and properties don’t seem necessary to any physical processes that matter—at least according to what we’ve deduced so far. Yet they exist. Sometimes the simplest model just isn’t the correct one."

- Lisa Randall

“Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.”

- Albert Einstein

It is possible he was murdered, but it just seems unlikely.

You'd have to get a guard to do it. And for a guard to do it, they'd have to get other guards in on it. Because you'd need to minimize witnesses - get Epstein's cell mate out of there, get him off suicide watch.

Plus, this was the second suicide "attempt." So if it were murder, that means they failed the first time, then came back again to do it, despite heightened security around the guy. I just can't imagine being a prison guard and thinking that was worth any amount of cash. Besides, then you'd have to hide that cash. Imagine being the guy on suicide watch for Epstein, Epstein dies, then a few weeks later you bought a Porsche and a vacation home.... The motive sucks.

Sure, people get murdered in prison, Usually by other inmates. When it happens by guards, there's usually a huge rift between a certain guard and a certain prison - just like on the outside - two people just have it out for each other. It's predictable.

Want to know a way cooler theory?

Someone with a lot of cash said they'd murder Epstein's family if he didn't hang himself. Think about it. You are a loaded world elite type person, and Epstein's about to spill the beans on you. You tell Epstein if he doesn't do it, even in a coded message or something, his family is gone. If he kills himself, their lives would be spared. Elites would definitely have the power to do that.

So Epstein tries to do it once, gets cold feet, or otherwise just fails, and says someone tried to "murder him," because he doesn't want to be put on suicide watch, making his plan impossible. So he waits for the opportune moment (no cell mate, no suicide watch guard), and bam, he does it.

slowerthanu wrote:

I think if rojo wasn't a cofounder he'd be getting banned for trolling.

He's not a troll though, just like he isn't a racist.

AlohaState wrote:

He wanted to commit suicide and decisions were made to allow him to do this.

Wrong. He reported to visitors that people were trying to kill him.

If he was trying to commit suicide then he wouldn't have cared and wouldn't have said anything.

However, he did care, so he didn't commit suicide.

I think you nailed it.

Bob Washington wrote:

tarckstar wrote:

This place is full of nutjobs.

Sure, a president and ex-presidential candidate orchestrated a murder and body-switch cover-up in a prison.

Meanwhile, our current president is proven to be involved with Russian mobsters, and not a word.

Oh, and that current president was involved with body-switched guy, banging 14-year-olds, and also not a word.

Okay then.

You are retarded. Nothing about colluding with the Russians was ever proved. Wanna know why?? Because it didn’t happen. You sir, are delusional.

I think she’s a woman. Everything else you got correct. She’s suffering a severe case of leftist-brain-deadness.

EZ10Miler wrote:

Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation of an event more likely to be the correct answer.

IF the Clintons (or someone acting on their behalf) are so good at killing people why didn't they have him killed before he was arrested. Sure would be easier to do it then than when he's in jail.

Two Words: Monica Lewinsky. How is she still around? If anyone would have been a prime target for being X'd out it's her, yet she is very much alive and kicking.

Conspiracy theories are goofy fun fantasy but not to be taken seriously. It's like those dramas that are loosely based on true events.

Yeah, Hillary could of snapped Monica's neck like a twig.

And speculation, rumour and wishful thinking don't replace facts, and the latter you are conspicuously short of.