All that matters is who is going to worlds..... I feel Chelimo was trying to help by starting a strong pace they know who has the standard and who doesn't. If it was me and I didn't have the standard I,m working with Chelimo he had the race set up for them to potentially run well
It is interesting how certain athletes have an instinct for the podium.
Chelimo has proved he is one of these athletes.
I like sh*t talk, but you’d better be prepared to back it up. Lomong is an easy to love, wonderful, exciting runner with such a cool story, but isn’t who I’d put my money on over Chelimo in a WC or Olympic race at this stage of their careers.
This will be interesting.
I just listened to Woody Kincaid's interview on the Final Surge podcast. Not only am I not a fan of his but I am not actively rooting against him. Between that and his post race interview at USA's it is clear that he does not belong at worlds. He is definitely not mentally tough. Sounded a bit arrogant.
As previous people have posted, all that matters is who is going to worlds. The fact that Jerry instructed them not to lead no matter what is a bit crazy especially given the circumstances.
It goes back to BTC never racing. If you don't race, you don't get the standard. If you don't race, you don't learn how to race. Kincaid mentioned in one of the interview that the race showed that he could get top 3 at USAs. Again, it does not matter if you're not going to worlds. But since the BTC never race they don't get many other opportunities to practice getting top 3 in a race like that.
NERunner053 wrote:
Absolutely here for runners having some personality in T&F. Absolutely love the way Chelimo throws it all out there but tbh he was sorta wrong on his initial post. Lomong ran a past 10k to beat some of Chelimo's teammates. Chelimo tries to take out the 5k hot but Lomong stays with him, doesn't help with the pacing, and gets him at the line. End result is an L to someone who just came off of a strong 10k. Funny to drop your medalist credentials but you got got my guy.
Also thought it was kinda rude to go after Woody. The dude ran out of his mind to beat the guys he beat & came up just short.
Bowerman TC is my favorite elite group however Chelimo is referring to their mentality . Barely racing all year and even when you are in the usa final you still dont race. Essentially lomong only raced the last lap and kincaid literally did not race and is the #1 person to blame for him not going to worlds.
You can drop all credentials when somone is trying to clown your racing mentality and they literally do not have the resume to tell you anything.
Chelimo is 5 years younger and has two olympic/world medals(in the mo farah era) a diamond league win and 5 US titles.
Meanwhile Lomong has 6 us titles.
I bet all the East africans are laughing at this cause chelimo is right
Lomong is still one of my favorite runners and they both have points
wkvejkvqjewfnewjfn wrote:
The fact that Jerry instructed them not to lead no matter what is a bit crazy especially given the circumstances.
It goes back to BTC never racing. If you don't race, you don't get the standard. If you don't race, you don't learn how to race. Kincaid mentioned in one of the interview that the race showed that he could get top 3 at USAs. Again, it does not matter if you're not going to worlds. But since the BTC never race they don't get many other opportunities to practice getting top 3 in a race like that.
Shoemaker, I've never seen an interview with him and don't know what he's good at, but he's lousy at scheduling races, and he's lousy at tactics. He needs to let go of those things, let someone else set up the racing schedules - along with the athletes themselves - and let someone else especially the athletes determine the race tactics that they want to use. He is not running any of the races, and we can see why not. Let someone else set this up, or better yet, let the athletes - who are the talented ones - decide these things for themselves.
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brokenrecord wrote:
It's not being pedantic to point out that it's patently false to say that " the most self-promoted group in America comes into Championship races with explicit instructions not to race." It's common sense.
Did you listen to Kincaid’s interview on The Final Surge podcast? Because you’re splitting hairs in criticism or defense of what, exactly?
Why would a coach tell Lomong, already qualified in the 10k, explicitly not to lead the 5,000 when neither he or his teammate in the race have a qualifying standard? Why even start if the idea isn’t to either win the race in qualifying fashion and maybe pull a teammate along or at least work with them to try..?
I guess it’s common sense if the idea is to line up for a glorified last chance meet, not even attempt to achieve the standard to continue on with the season in any meaningful sense, and act like winning means something while guys that lost get to move on.
Then Lomong starts sht w/ Chelimo over it. We get it Lopez, you’re having your best season at 34 years old, but know your place.
I did listen to the interview. It has no bearing on whether or not they raced. My criticism is in your obsession with degrading runners who don't lead. See: any thread on Farah.
Noble Savage wrote:
The expression is savage, not A savage.
I think the OP was using it as a noun.
savage - noun
Definition of savage (Entry 2 of 4)
1 : a person belonging to a primitive society