I'm Done. The Mezra death brought home how cycincal and damaging this website it to real people

There are some previous cheaters posting on this thread who are glad MI is softening its approach. They never accepted responsibility for their actions and blamed MI for their troubles. In their mind it legitimizes their cheating to have the investigators and their methods questioned. If you’re looking for bad guys in this situation then anyone close to him who questioned FM previous times, joked amongst themselves about how he was cheating or even assisted with his schemes, and did nothing, are the real active participants in his demise. So it’s not surprising that some of those people were also attacking MI.

UDST wrote:

It's funny how scientist are trying to figure out most things Christians have already solved.

The Christians using science? There have been a few

....or Christians just saying "oh, it was created"...you need to believe and have faith?

I know right wrote:

UDST wrote:

It's funny how scientist are trying to figure out most things Christians have already solved.

Marathon Investigations did nothing wrong, but this tragic suicide will be horrible for his brand. That's the bottom line.

True. It will be forever associated with Meza's death.

Joe Pop wrote:

I know right wrote:

Marathon Investigations did nothing wrong, but this tragic suicide will be horrible for his brand. That's the bottom line.

True. It will be forever associated with Meza's death.

Maybe, maybe not. This could have a completely different outcome. Guarantee that hundreds of thousands more people know about MI than before this ever happened. For every single post you find out there trying to claim that MI is responsible in any way, you can find ten posts saying MI did nothing wrong and provides a valuable service to the running community. That this was all Franks fault and only Frank is responsible for his actions.

If or more likely when a more thorough article ever gets written and published by a media source like The New Yorker or some other publication that throughly details the elaborate decade long cheating by Frank Meza, MI will be throughly vindicated and those who claim MI was at fault for Meza’s death will be either silenced or become known as idiots if they continue to persist in such idiotic claims.

I am Sam wrote:

UDST wrote:

It's funny how scientist are trying to figure out most things Christians have already solved.

The Christians using science? There have been a few

....or Christians just saying "oh, it was created"...you need to believe and have faith?

Yeah, how silly. Everyone knows all it takes is billions of years and random stuff happening and voila!

Weren't you one of those who said that you were going to contact his employer or something to that effect?

I agree MI will always be linked to the Meza tragedy. Hundreds of articles about Meza's death mention MI. The internet does not forget. The guy must feel a ton of guilt about what happened, especially given all the interviews he gleefully gave before Meza's death. It was like he was on a huge publicity high and then it all came crashing down. The guy was all over the place and would talk with any media outlet about the cheating situation, but then once Meza's killed himself, he disappeared. People who don't feel shame or guilt don't do this.

Totally disagree. He gave the man all the chances in the world to explain this and explain that. He didn't think he'd kill himself, but that he'd be forced to fess up and it'd be over.

Look how many people questioned Litton, even the New Yorker. He lied and lied and said prove it. No one runs that pace, is seen walking on the side of the road with his head down in a completely different outfit and finishes with yet another one. He knew the gig was up whether he admitted it or not, but he didn't kill himself and he's a successful Dentist!!!! If he had, is that the New Yorker's fault, Letsrun's fault, or his own.

Frank truly could have went on with his life, he really could have. To blame MI is unfair.

Wrong'em boyo. You are now forever gleefully linked with 'misremembering'.

Unbelievably, a few cheaters may actually persuade themselves that the coast is clear. They’re not a wise or analytical group. But most see the result & don’t want to end up there themselves.

I agree with this as well. Didn't have to be this way. It was his own behavior that caused the end result, not the news, this site or MI. Regardless I still feel badly for the guy and it has nothing to do with him being a doctor. Life is meant to be lived and he didn't have to end his the way he did. Sad all the way around.

This is what I was responding to:

I was pointing out that Marathon Investigation has had a ton of exposure and could become much bigger and wider read. I wouldn't argue against the fact that Derek feels some guilt, he has said so himself. I too feel some guilt, but ultimately Frank made the decisions he did and he alone is responsible.

To answer your question, yes, I looked into contacting either the American Medical Board or the CA State Medical Board and reporting Frank to either one. I have no feeling of guilt over suggesting this, though I never did actually do it.

I'm still of the factual opinion that Frank was involved in fraudulent and deceptive behavior for up to a decade or more and that this behavior could have extended to more areas of his life than running. Had I contacted a medical board, it would have been their decision on what to do with the fact that Frank was a serial cheater and was publicly purporting in his medical practice to be something he was not, an elite world record breaking marathoner.

The guy never broke a world record. The course was not record worthy. And unless you actually heard him “publicly purport “ any of the things that you say he said then you are a factual liar. That puts you right at about his level.

Regardless, you should seek counseling for your inability to let go of the past. Complaining over a month later about the obvious truth of something you cannot ever change must be painful for you. I hope you can work through your repressed guilt someday.

Good luck Tony.

Actually cheaters aren’t in the past, they’re currently a big & growing problem. The main issue is the money involved: either using your own wealth & status as Meza did, or money from a sponsor. Social media makes it easy to broadcast the result, it’s very cost-effective for the cheaters & sponsors.

Flounder wrote:

The guy never broke a world record. The course was not record worthy. And unless you actually heard him “publicly purport “ any of the things that you say he said then you are a factual liar. That puts you right at about his level.

Regardless, you should seek counseling for your inability to let go of the past. Complaining over a month later about the obvious truth of something you cannot ever change must be painful for you. I hope you can work through your repressed guilt someday.

Good luck Tony.

I might be many things, but I am not a factual liar. It doesn't matter if the course was or wasn't record worthy, he was purporting it to be and you can hear him say as much right here:

Ok, so Frank says US record and then immediately after the next guy says world record, so I wrong partially wrong. But he was using his purported record runs in this video I just shared above and then here on his Kaiser Permenante doctor profile he talks about how he "recently set eight California Age Group Marathon records".

Now maybe you are right, I might have an issue with letting things go. Thank you for your concern if it is at all genuine. Yes, I am not quite ready to drop the Frank Meza cheating story and am waiting for someone to write a much better article that fully exposes his decade long cheating. It might end up having to be me, but doubtless that wouldn't get read by many...

Based on the video it seems that the success of his career was legit. It's hard to understand why that wasn't enough for him.

Why do you see a need for an article exposing his cheating history? To harass his family?

Sorry. I guess you didn’t lie. And I take that back. I never watched those videos and still won’t. I didn’t see any need to waste time listening to the odd ramblings of a demented old man. I have had to deal with enough of that over the years. The whole story is tragic. So many lives have been negatively impacted by this.

Triathlete Guru. Outstanding post. Meza clearly leveraged his bogus race results to increase his stature/reputation as an MD. He and others linked outstanding race results to outstanding medicine and community involvement.

That someone could engineer a years-long deception of this magnitude shows someone with serious ethical and other issues. You don’t expect a highly-regarded doctor to be a liar and fraud.

SDSU Aztec - Even now, there is a campaign of denial and misinformation with regard to Meza’s cheating and his suicide. If an investigative article were undertaken, it would be to set the record straight in a matter of public interest. To suggest that sharing facts is harassment of his family is a crass effort to suppress truths you seem uncomfortable with.

I believe the the full extent of Frank’s cheating isn’t known - and he may well have had accomplices. People who knew of or aided in his cheating.

The Rosie Ruiz thread (she died soon after Meza) has a link to a Jacqueline Gareau interview. Months later at a race in Miami, Ruiz confronted Gareau & accused HER of cheating! This is what happens when cheaters are free to mess with real runners.

Ruiz was never really penalized & took advantage by hounding the REAL winner! It’s really shocking when you see the consequence of letting her off with a slap on the wrist.