NCAA Ban California Schools From Competing??

If the school is giving a scholarship then i agree they should not have to pay a player. But why shouldn’t the student be free to make money off his own name and likeness? Why are other students on academic scholarships allowed too?

Why do some many people think they shouldn’t be able to do this?

The recent college scandal has now demonstrated the value of an athletic admission preference. In some cases, getting admitted into a school in which a student would otherwise fail to gain admission was worth hundreds of thousands of dollars on the black market.

Thus the value of an athletic admission preference, plus the paid tuition etc., is worth a ton of money. For most college athletes, it is worth substantially more than they could ever make professionally, especially at that point in their career.

Sure 110,000 people show up to watch Penn State play Ohio State in football. Put those same players in some non-NCAA non-NFL game, and 50 people would show up.

The bottom-line is that outside the NCAA construct (and for some sports the Olympics), very few people have much interest in watching non-pro athletes compete, would have very little interest in buying non-pro athlete jerseys, and would have no interest in copying their images.

So I think that college athletes are getting a pretty good deal without being paid even more money. The NFL and NBA should eliminate their restrictions on drafting young athletes, but that’s not the NCAA’s problem.

lol, wut? wrote:

Reality’ wrote:

If all football and basketball players get paid then bye bye non-revenue sports. They are going to have to get money from somewhere.

LetsRun will cheer that for sure. Socialism is a disease, right?

It's funny how many on this board pretend to be free-market capitalist purists but then turn around and want special protection from foreign-born athletes receiving scholarships in NCAA track, and back a sport that depends on handouts from revenue-producing sports for its existence

It baffels me that people believe that a law like this would kill track.

The law just allows athletes to earn money off their likeness; California is trying to give athletes this concession in order to avoid having a payroll beyond scholarships for college athletes because a lot of people recognize that would not be good for college athletics.

It seems like a great idea to me. You continue with the scholarship model and a select few big name athletes will profit a lot while in college from ad revenue, while most will see little to no money outside of their scholarship.

A Heisman candidate would make a ton before going pro doing car commmercials, but most lineman would not see much.

While only select track athletes competing for schools like Oregon could make any money off their likeness scholarships would continue for T&F.

Let them go ahead and do it. The NCAA is not bigger than the biggest state in the country. It is just a corrupt front organization for money-grubbing university presidents and football coaches.

Sliding Scale wrote:

It baffels me that people believe that a law like this would kill track.

Exactly. The "non revenue" sports will be fine

zxvcxcvz wrote:

Let them go ahead and do it. The NCAA is not bigger than the biggest state in the country. It is just a corrupt front organization for money-grubbing university presidents and football coaches.

Not good to piss off almost 60 members of Congress. Californians chair or co-chair a lot of committees in the House; I suspect that there would be subpoenas for both the top NCAA folks and almost all financial records having to do with anything connected to the scholarships and revenues. You think that there might be some bodies buried there?

Duhhhh wrote:

If the school is giving a scholarship then i agree they should not have to pay a player. But why shouldn’t the student be free to make money off his own name and likeness? Why are other students on academic scholarships allowed too?

Why do some many people think they shouldn’t be able to do this?

No one is saying they have to pay the players. They should be *allowed* to pay the players. The market will figure out the rest. Players should be able to make money including their likeness.

As long as there are sanctuary cities, THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO COMPETE!!!!!

ncaa monopoly wrote:

Duhhhh wrote:

If the school is giving a scholarship then i agree they should not have to pay a player. But why shouldn’t the student be free to make money off his own name and likeness? Why are other students on academic scholarships allowed too?

Why do some many people think they shouldn’t be able to do this?

No one is saying they have to pay the players. They should be *allowed* to pay the players. The market will figure out the rest. Players should be able to make money including their likeness.

Exactly. Nobody is saying they HAVE to pay players. D3 athletes (jn any sport) won't get paid just like they don't get scholarships because they aren't drawing crowds. Football and basketball schools have so much money that they don't know what to do with it and if they could recruit another star player instead of paying their coach an extra $100,000 then they probably would. The market will figure out the value of players and recruits will continue to go to schools where they get the best dollar/education value just like they always have. This makes it more fair to players who make millions of dollars for Alabama football and Duke basketball but will have little to no effect on non-revenue sports, especially at non-revenue sport schools.

ncaa monopoly wrote:

Duhhhh wrote:

If the school is giving a scholarship then i agree they should not have to pay a player. But why shouldn’t the student be free to make money off his own name and likeness? Why are other students on academic scholarships allowed too?

Why do some many people think they shouldn’t be able to do this?

No one is saying they have to pay the players. They should be *allowed* to pay the players. The market will figure out the rest. Players should be able to make money including their likeness.

This is not about paying players. 99% of football players are making exactly or more than they deserve. This about the 1% of football/basketball players making zero in endorsements.

NCAA won't win this one.........not in this day & age. Coaches salaries don't help their argument either.

College golfers should be able to play pro tourneys (and accept prize money) OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL YEAR.

California Schools and athletes dominate the NCAA championships.

The top 3 schools with most NCAA D 1 Championships are in California (Stanford, UCLA, USC)

Three of the top 4 (and 4 of top 10) schools with most individual champs are in California.

F-the NCAA. Have your championships without California Schools.

NCAA will certainly be forced to deal with this as more states join CA. I mean, if 24 more states join CA, then winning an NCAA 'championship' would mean being the best in 1/2 of states still allowed to compete in the NCAA. This would be so diluted, that it would be a joke. Therefore, Nike (or someone else) would be quick to host some sort of "Nike-College' or 'NXN-College' championship, where the true national champ would be crowned by inviting the best 30 college squads and/ or qualifiers across the country regardless of their student-compensation laws. Indeed, since the better runners would presumably be attending schools where they may be compensated, this type of 'Nike-College' championship would most likely crown the best squad.

Bottom line - if the NCAA fails to recognize schools where athletes are compensated, then some other organization will arise to essentially displace the NCAA. It might take 10-20 years, but it would happen.

Even if what you said is true. why should they not be allowed to accept money for autographs or get endorsements? Even most pro caliber recruits may not actually get their school anything extra. It is more the brand. But guys like Johnny Manziel brought way more revenue to their school than another player in the Jersey could have. Let the free market decide how they're compensated.

But there is no real free market within sports leagues, just some sort of hybrid. Sports leagues are by definition legally-allowed monopolies that establish rules about salary caps, trade deadlines, etc. to attempt to create some sort of fair playing field among the teams in the league. The NCAA set its comp cap to tuition/room and board and the academic preference admission.

The free market exists between leagues though — if a player doesn’t like the NCAA rules he can go play in a different league.

So you are against leagues, rules, and organizations evolving and changing? The cap is set for the ncaa at a scholarship. Other leagues have a salary cap. But why can the ncaa athletes not make money from YouTube, or autographs, or appearance fees, or a free sandwhich if someone offers? Why are they denied these things? A non athlete student is afforded these rights.

Scholarship = Payment wrote:

The athletes who are actually making the university money are the ones who are getting thousands upon thousands of dollars taken off their tuition and living expenses. Is that not enough? I'm a college athlete on scholarship and over the four years at uni I will have "made" 70k from just running cross and track. This doesn't even come close to how much these football and basketball players are getting. Their payment is a free education which is invaluable. On top of the free education, which also means they don't have loans that will accumulate interest, they get thousands of dollars in shoes and clothes as well as tutors and any other resource they could possibly need all for free.

I could be missing a huge piece of this but it seems to me that people are just being greedy.

The rationale that a scholarship is "enough" is an arbitrary line in the sand and poorly thought through.

If organizations like EA profit off footblayers likeness, and TV networks want to have billion dollar deals, there is money in the pot for athletes as well. They deserve a piece of what they've earned, not a fixed amount of a free education. This isn't about a free education. It's about being able to get paid for what you do.

We have football and basketball players not graduating college because they can not get paid to perform the job they are doing. So they just go to the league and get that job. But if they could get paid to stay in college, than those athlete's wouldn't need to rush to go pro, and could actually get a college degree.

Schools also get funding from donors for their scholarships. So it's not like the NCAA can argue a scholarship is enough, because they don't even provide that.

All that aside, If the NCAA actually decided to kick California out of itself. They would be issuing themselves a death sentence and would be the stupidest thing they could possibly do.

Thousand of athletes would be displaced and it would be the biggest sob story painting the NCAA the villain of every sporting event.

I encourage the NCAA to kick out California and shoot itself in the face. It would not exist as is within 5 years.

Coaches and administrators should get paid with free tuition to.

Let everyone work in college sports to get their PhDs and once their done, they can get a real job.

Scholarship = Payment wrote:

The athletes who are actually making the university money are the ones who are getting thousands upon thousands of dollars taken off their tuition and living expenses. Is that not enough? I'm a college athlete on scholarship and over the four years at uni I will have "made" 70k from just running cross and track. This doesn't even come close to how much these football and basketball players are getting. Their payment is a free education which is invaluable. On top of the free education, which also means they don't have loans that will accumulate interest, they get thousands of dollars in shoes and clothes as well as tutors and any other resource they could possibly need all for free.

I could be missing a huge piece of this but it seems to me that people are just being greedy.

HAHHAA the indoctrination is strong with this one.

Of course it's a great deal for you, if you can ignore the morality of what you're doing.

Enjoy your wealth transfer from the poor black people making your money, but try not to talk to much or you'll provoke people into realising about what's happening

Good wrote:

Good, kick them out! Bye Stanford!!

Lol imagine college track without the Stanford and Payton Jordan Invites